Nice try mr. pervert, you were trying to make me think about a woman nine months pregnant getting plowed nine times in a row.
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Just use condoms and don’t hookup with random people. No pills needed for any gender. They are harmful.
The Lemmycels are pretty angry at this one, but on the other hand it’s pretty silly to trust dudes with birth control when you’re the one that gets pregnant.
But we’ve had the technology to make it an option for a long time
Sure, but as others have pointed out you’d still just end up with literally everyone on birth control.
Which is fine. Certainly makes random failures less likely.
Maybe you should just count yourself lucky that you get to control your own fertility. In civilized countries at least.
That’s quickly coming to an end.
I think it’s the civilised that’s coming to an end.
Dumb. It’s a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
Not if ya snip snip
Condoms are a lot cheaper than the pill and don’t come with side effects
Many people of any gender find sex much less enjoyable with a condom.
I find sex less enjoyable with a condom. Im still able to have a good time NOT getting pregnant.
You know what’s a lot less enjoyable than sex with a condom? Everything it prevents
Not only that, there’s an interruptible cycle of egg release. There’s no regular interruptible cycle in men.
It’s not like they haven’t tried. Most men would love to be able to ensure they don’t get snared. 😉
The best option all around that I’ve seen is Vasagel, which is the western development based on RISUG which was a successful Indian trial
https://www.planaformen.com/vasalgel
The major complication for it has been that no pharma wants to invest in it, likely because if doesn’t have good profit potential.
It is a one-time ‘shot’ of a physical gel that blocks the vas deferens (sperm channel) and is fully reversible simply by being flushed out again.
However, since it is not an ongoing monthly profit ahem, prescription, there is not a lot of money to be made.
No hormones, no pills, fully reversible, simply blocks the sperm exactly like a vasectomy, just very easily reversed. It can all be done in clinic with a syringe (perhaps tho the syringe will be a blocker for some men)
Is the syringe in the dong? Because that’s a beeg no for me. I’m not squeamish around needles but am squeamish about the dong and dings.
I mean it seems about equally as invasive as an IUD. I bet people could get used to the concept.
I wasn’t talking about people.
I’m talking about me.
I don’t want needles (or any sharp objects) close to my genitals.
Well, I’ve not had it since it isn’t available yet.
But I get what you mean about the needles in the dong.
But most likely, the needle is through the side of the scrote, which might not be much better.
Probably best to just not watch.
It is less invasive than a vasectomy, since it’s a needle and not a scalpel, but ofc it’s not as simple as a pill
On the other hand, it’s one-and-done and nevermore worried about unwanted paternity claims.
So get a vasectomy or don’t stick in raw, dumbass
Nothing is 100% and vasectomies are rarely reversible
Vasectomies are 85% success in reversing. I got one, highly recommend
Pill isn’t 100% either, and a hysterectomy is completely irreversable
Just saying I would have loved to have had a male pill back in the day. Vasectomy completed after 2 kids.
and also they’re not 100%
They’re 100% of the doctors start doing them like they do at the vets office.
Then you have to spend the rest of your life on HRT. And not having balls probably causes a lot of cis men dysphoria.
The technology to make male birth control has been available for a long time but everything in our society is about subjugation and cruelty. That’s why we live in a rape culture run by pedofiles and rapists. It’s by design.
Medical science is not that black and white.
Think about birth control in terms of preventing death and disfigurement. Men don’t die from pregnancy, women do.
When women take birth control, it has the upside of not dying in pregnancy, having horrific pain in the process, or permanent changes to their body. Birth control has a lot of side effects, but at the end of the day, the maternal mortality rate of women who take birth control is far lower.
The reason why medical trials for male birth has been put on hold before, is because when weighing the side effects vs benefits of male birth control, men did not have to weight against death and suffering through pregnancy. Thus, the justification for male birth control requires a much higher bar.
While discrimination against women is prevalent in medicine, this isn’t as simple as an instance of dismissing male birth control because men didn’t like it. The process through which new modern medicines are vetted requires comparing the positive and negative outcomes of a medication, and that doesn’t necessarily take gender dynamics into account.
They should have both been available a long time ago. Thanks for proving my point by defending sexism and rape culture and I’m sure you’re one of the “good ones “ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/gender-bias-kill-male-birth-control
The fact that you think that that response was defending sexism rather proves that you are not arguing from a point of good faith.
No one is saying sexism doesn’t exist, but that’s not the point being argued here.
I find your explanations of common sense things to be condescending and pointless. I’d rather not continue this conversation because it’s not productive and I don’t really find your logic relevant to what I had to say in the first place
I, as a pro-birth control/pro-choice lady, believe lady-oriented birth control has nothing to do with that (perhaps naiively).
Pregnancy, even the healthiest, safest ones, are hard on our bodies. That means that anything that prevents them is theoretically better than if we’re constantly/repeatedly pregnant. Even if its harmful for mental health or long term effects on organs. Pregnancy fucks us up outright both mentally and physically. Like day one.
Obviously I’m simplyifying a bit, but you understand the gist of my logic.
Men dont have HAVE to deal with pregnancy, period, so anything that introduces harm, even minutely, is automatically a worse quality-of-life option for them.
Am I pro-male birth control? Hell yeah I am. I just recognize that they’re giving up more than we would be to accept the same risks, given that they dont have to experience pregnancy to begin with, and I dont trust/expect them to do that.
Therefore, it makes logical sense to me that we’re the ones targeted.
Ok, at the end of the day women are the ones that get pregnant. If you’re living a life of one night stands, who’s more at risk? The woman who’s on nothing, or the guy that’s just like “uhhh ya, I’m on that”.
Kind of a poor way of looking at it imo. Guard your house. Don’t expect the predators to guard it.
classic engineering mistake, trying to fix the problem where it occurs (baby popps out), instead of where it originates (baby gets put in). Can’t be too mad at them for that. Everyone makes that mistake when they start out.
she’s right
She has no points
A) women are voluntarily driving 100% of demand for this drug B) if we could make it for guys, we would. C) if we did unplanned pregnancies would dry up and women’s power/control of birth would change vastly for the first time in our biological history.
This screen shot is meaningless kindergarten thinking.
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YCT-529 just passed human safety trials last July. Its coming … so men won’t be.
me: laughs in vasectomy
Fr, no worries anymore!
Best decision I made.
Best incision I have made.
Self-vasectomy is a flex for sure…
walterlego’s bragging about operating on lightsong, and sparing us more of them.
odd flex but perhaps there’s something there… time will tell
Back when I was younger and on the road all the time I would have loved to have a pill that guaranteed I didn’t have a critical hit. But even at my peak nine times a day would have had me pushing rope.
Yeah, neat math, but biology isn’t a group project where everyone gets an equal share. Female birth control exists because it’s actually doable. One egg a month is easy to manage, shutting down millions of sperm without wrecking everything else? Not so much.
And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp. Meanwhile, women have been tanking those side effects for decades just to keep the rest of us from multiplying like rabbits.
So no, science didn’t “target the wrong gender.” It just went with the one that could handle it.
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And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp.
This is false, it’s based on a single study and twists facts. Some participants dropped out because of side effects, but those not dropping out said they would actually continue using the pill if it were available. The study was stopped because one participant tried to kill himself.
No it wasn’t just one study. The 2016 WHO trial is just the one that got the headlines because it made for a catchy story. There were several other male birth control studies going back to the 80s and 90s where men dropped out because they didn’t want to deal with the side effects. Things like acne mood swings and injection pain.
In the WHO study around twenty out of three hundred twenty men quit over side effects. Earlier trials saw the same thing a few percent tapping out for the same reasons.
So no it wasn’t some isolated case. It’s been a recurring theme across decades of research. The numbers are small but it’s there. Pretending otherwise just tells me you stopped reading after the first article title.
Without wrecking everything else
Women have been taking the sid effects
Then the just and equitable thing to do would be to shift some of that burden to men to make things easier for the women that aren’t able to “tank” the side effects that can include some life-threatening complications.
I would also like to point out that the leading cause of death of pregnant people in America is intimate partner homicide, so the dangers of pregnancy can also be directly caused by the male partners. Y’all need to toughen the fuck up and get your shit together to do your damn part of preventing unwanted pregnancy and calling out the bad behavior of your peers that eventually escalates to things like rape or intimate partner homicide.
Vasectomies are a great option, but there are a lot of folks who don’t want a permanent birth control so they won’t get a vasectomy.
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I’m sure this is well thought through and factual.
