Lol this is so dumb
What is this weird ass template with the creepy people in the background?
How does this unscientific instagram vomit has 500 votes on lemmy? Are we turning into reddit?
I think if I busted a nut 9 times a day, I would just simply just vanish.
The funny thing is, we have the options. It is a matter of choosing to use them. More options always better, solutions already exist.
Lemmy is left but also male, according to the salty responses lol
I’m pretty sure the birth control pill is for women because that was easy to do. A pill for men has been tried several times and they still don’t exist yet.
Nah, this isn’t a great point at all… even at face value really.
Put slightly differently, if we’re assuming people sleep around as much as the text implies, if we focus on birth control solely for men, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled man would result in a ton of pregnancies. If the onus is on women, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled woman would result in one pregnancy.
I’m the number one Gamer on World of Warcraft. Now what?
Condoms?
The one who gets pregnant should probably take the birth control, as pregnancy would be more bothersome for them than for the other person.
Let’s say you save exactly one pill and it works on anyone. Also assume 100% pregnancy rate, so if you are paired with someone and neither have the pill, then it’s an automatic pregnancy. Our goal is to minimize number of pregnancies.
- “Max promiscuity”: Say we have a complete bipartite matching. if it’s given to a male, then no pregnancies have been prevented since every other male can impregnate every female. If it’s given to a female, then it reduces the number of pregnancies by 1 since none of the males can impregnate her.
- “Traditional”: Say we have a bijective matching (i.e. each male is paired with exactly one female, and vice versa). Then the pill can be given to anyone and it will always reduce the number of pregnancies by 1.
- “The Harem”: Say we have a matching where males have more than one pairing but females have at most one pairing each. In this case, giving the pill to the male with the largest number of pairings will reduce pregnancies by however many pairings they have.
- “Reverse Harem”: Same scenario as above but flip male and female. Giving the pill to any female will have the same effect of reducing pregnancies by 1. Giving it to a male will have no effect.
- “The Cliques”: The population is split into disjoint graphs, but each of these disjoint graphs are complete (bijective) bipartite graphs. In this case, if the pill is given to a male, then it will only have an effect if that male only has a single pairing, thereby reducing pregnancies by exactly 1. Otherwise, there will be no reduction in pregnancies. If given to a female, then it will always reduce pregnancies by exactly 1.
As far as I’m aware, the real world operates most like a mixture of “Traditional” and “Cliques”. At least, in places where birth control is an option. But in the real world, we have more than one pill.
If we have enough for either all males or all females, then the effect is the same regardless of who gets the pill. It will always lead to 100% pregnancy reduction.
Let’s say we have enough pills for all but one male, or all but one female.
- “Max promiscuity”: If the pill is given to the males, then we still have one male that can impregnate everyone, so there will be no reduction in pregnancies. If given to females, then you will end up with exactly one pregnancy.
- “Traditional”: As before, there’s no difference. Any decision will lead to reducing pregnancies to exactly 1.
- “The Harem”: giving to all the males except the one with the smallest number of pairings will reduce pregnancies to however many pairings that one male has (more than 1). If given to females, then it will reduce it to exactly 1.
- “Reverse Harem”: Giving it to the males will reduce pregnancies to exactly 1 since they’re only in 1 pairing. Giving it to females will also reduce it to exactly 1.
- “The Cliques”: if given to the males, then it will only make a difference if there exists a clique with exactly one male. It will reduce pregnancies by the largest number of females in a clique with a single male. If given to females, then it always reduces pregnancies to exactly 1.
So with the goal of minimizing pregnancies, it either makes no difference or is optimal to have the pill on women (unless you’re in a harem). This is highly reductive though. We have many other considerations when deciding who should get access to birth control.
It’s easier to prevent ovulation of one egg than stop a billion sperm cells from reaching their destination. Stop politicising biology.
Uh, it’s been done. Multiple times.
First was this one back in 2016, but the caveat was that it had the same side effects as women’s birth control. Since the patient being prescribed isn’t the one who will experience negative health outcomes without the medications, the harm of those side effects was deemed by researchers (not the patients themselves) to be greater than the risk of impregnating someone else.
Other hornonal options have come out since then, though not on the consumer market, like this hormonal gel and this pill.
More recently its been done without hormones by blocking a vitamin A metabolite that signals the production of sperm.
You’re the one “politicising biology” by using it to dismiss this out of hand without even the most basic level of research or respect for the complexity of the topic.
It’s easier to castrate men than to expect women to take medication with a wide array of side potential effects, stop politicising healthcare x
Yeah they try to make this sound like an intelligent argument or that they designed birth control for women out of misogyny. It’s much easier to get one or two eggs terminated in a cycle vs eliminating millions of sperm without causing infertility. I don’t think the people that spew this understand.
Counter point, all men are rapists(according to the wisdom of the internet). Therefore, birth control is protection against the onslaught of unwanted semen that comes from all the endless rape.
Or, if you arent a perpetually online moron, birth control allows women to control their reproduction. Its a symbol of liberation and freedom for women, who can now enjoy sex at their want without worry of pregnancy.
In over words, shes making a shit point. This is like all the clueless cunts moaning about women in short skirts in Star Trek, not realising the the mini skirt was a symbol of sexual liberation for the time.
Have you looked up sexual assault or rape rates in your community or country? It is definitely a high enough number to scare a normal person. Probably many of those crimes are repeat offenders, but that doesn’t help the victims.
There’s another question that I don’t think you can answer. How often do women close to you talk about this subject? And if they never have, then maybe there’s a good reason for it. Because we can find the above data and we know that people around us have gone through some horrible stuff.
Yes I have. But Im betting that you havent. To be clear, I never said it wasnt a problem. Its just not the problem that internet makes it out to be. Often we see morons using stats from African countries, where rape gangs are frequent, to justify saying “all men” in the US are pricks who rape women.
As for women talking to me about things. As long as you dont come at me like I raped you, or pushing some sexist ideal that “all men” are rapists, a conversation is fine to be had. If want me just to sit there and nod my head while you push some twoxchromosomes like up my arse, the answer will be “nah, Im good.”.
In the US, 1.9 million women are raped every year. Im sure you’ll agree, thats far too many. There are over 170 million women and girls in the US right now. As for sexual assaults, thats 480,000 a year. Out of over 170 million. Yes, we both wish that the number were zero. But no, I dont agree that women should be scared. Accord to RAINN, there is a 0.6 to 0.7% chance that a woman will be raped in her lift time. The risk of being in a car crash at least once in your life, is 84%. Shall we start making some shit about cars now???
The problem with people like you, is you make enemies where you did have any to start with. We can all agree that no woman should ever be raped or forced to endure an assault of any kind. But instead, you want to make it about how awful “men” are, and how you cant even walk the streets at night without being assaulted. Which is also bullshit, as only 10% of rapes happen because of strangers attacking women on the street. No, women are just as safe as men walking the streets at night, safer in fact, as we get attacked FAR more frequently. No, a womans real issue with rape and sexually assault happens when she gets home. Fathers, uncles, brothers, husbands, boyfriends, are all in that 90% bracket. So walk the streets ladies, it would seem that you dont have to worry about anything until you get home…
See how annoying that is?
Um your math isn’t mathing here:
In the US, 1.9 million women are raped every year. As for sexual assaults, thats 480,000 a year.
I think all rape is also sexual assault and I suspect that sexual assault that doesn’t go as far as rape is more common than rape. Did you mean 1.9 thousand, or 19 thousand, or do sexual assaults that aren’t rape go massively unreported?
In the US, 1.9 million women are raped every year. There are over 170 million women and girls in the US right now.
(about 1% per year)
there is a 0.6 to 0.7% chance that a woman will be raped in her life time.
(about 1% per lifetime)
These two are also inconsistent, which leads me to suspect that you got the order of magnitude wrong on the US rapes somehow.
In search of a number, I tried https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States where I found
Relationship of victim to rapist before the incident:
Current or former intimate partner: 26%
Another relative: 7%
Friend or acquaintance: 38%
Stranger: 26%so maybe women should exercise caution going out (38% + 26% = 64%) more than staying in (26% + 7% = 34%).
1.9 million rapes (CDC) 480,000 sexual assaults (ie not rape) (RAINN)
Not sure what it is that you arent getting here. Im making the distinction between being felt up and having a penis shoved in to you. Rape is sexual assault, but sexual assault is not rape. Just ask any man who has been forced to have sex against his will, and it not be considered rape.
Youre right, I misspoke. The 10% number is only among college women. It closer to 20-25% of all women. Still, doesnt really change the point, doest it? The men that pose the greatest threat to women, are not strangers. I dont know how youre fucking brain works, but strangers = people you dont know. Seeing you explain how the fuck fathers, uncles, brothers, are in the same category as strangers will be a fun fucking read.
0.6 to 0.7% over a womans life time(averaging 70 years). If you have a problem with that number, I suggest you take up with RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network). Its their number. In fact, all the numbers that you dont like, come from RAINN or the CDC. So you can take it up with them, but those are the average numbers.
Not sure what it is that you arent getting here
1.9m/170m = 1% per year. That doesn’t add up to 0.7% per lifetime. I don’t know how you can think that more women get raped per year than get raped per lifetime. It didn’t add up, which is why I questioned it.
Thanks for quoting CDC as your source, which helped. I couldn’t find particularly recent data, but the 2016/2017 survey said:
One in 4 women (26.8% or 33.5 million) in the United States reported completed or attempted rape victimization at some point in her lifetime.
Two percent (2.3% or about 2.9 million) reported rape victimization in the 12 months before the survey.
Table 1 quotes 54.3% for lifetime contact sexual violence for women, and 47% unwanted sexual contact. You quoted significantly fewer (480 000) sexual assaults than rapes (1.9 million) which still doesn’t add up, no matter how much you swear at me.
No, a womans real issue with rape and sexually assault happens when she gets home. Fathers, uncles, brothers, husbands, boyfriends, are all in that 90% bracket. So walk the streets ladies, it would seem that you dont have to worry about anything until you get home…
They’re make up the 34% bracket, not the 90% bracket, according to the wikipedia article - see data below.
Still, doesnt really change the point, doest it? The men that pose the greatest threat to women, are not strangers. I dont know how youre fucking brain works, but strangers = people you dont know. Seeing you explain how the fuck fathers, uncles, brothers, are in the same category as strangers will be a fun fucking read.
Relationship of victim to rapist before the incident:
Current or former intimate partner: 26%
Another relative: 7%
Friend or acquaintance: 38%
Stranger: 26%so maybe women should exercise caution going out (38% + 26% = 64%) more than staying in (26% + 7% = 34%).
Actually, as you can see from my figures, I put the fathers, uncles, brothers in the same category as the intimate partners - the home category.
I was assuming that family and partners/former partners would be at home and the friends, acquaintances and strangers would be met when they went out. You can take issue with that certainly, but I didn’t put her dad in the stranger category.
Anyway, I think that we can agree that being alone with a man is perhaps where the risk lies for women, whether that’s at home or outside.
Occasionally you make very good points, but you’re unnecessarily abusive to people who make even minor corrections, and I get the impression that you don’t read your posts or your replies terribly carefully, preferring to shout than check.
“onslaught”. im sorry for whatever country you live in where women are raped multiple times a day.
Reading is hard, huh?
no, you should watch the words you use because they can take things way out of context.
No, you should keep on reading, and not stop at the part you feel offended by. You fucking moron.
wow, quite violent for being told to use proper context. nice example your setting of yourself.
You wanted so hard to pick a fight, but you fucked up and didnt it read the comment properly. You fucked up. Thats it. Accept it, learn from it, and move the fuck on. Or, continue being the dumbest cunt in the room, and keep on doubling down. Up to you, cunty chops.
get some air mate and relax.
Excuse me, but birth control is not just a pill, it’s the entire process that includes putting on a condom. And it’s expected of guys to use condoms.
Besides that, there are pills and procedures a guy can do as birth control.
