My beef with Lemmy:
- It’s weighted towards politics
- Not a lot of niche sub critical mass yet (though this is not its fault at all)
- But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.
For the moment, I just don’t engage in political discussion on Lemmy. It is way to extreme for me in general. It makes sense tho that those who don’t feel their opinions fit anywhere else (or get them banned etc.) gather in a place that allows for freer discussion, which I think is a good thing really.
And also just posting about niche music makes me happier than getting angry online so… That’s been a good motivation.
I don’t have any problems being occasionally politically incorrect on lemmy. Even if you get tons of downvotes, so what?
frankly, lemmy is literally only place I have found where you can discuss politics reasonably. I also try to rid myself of any pride about being right about anything and actually look forward to being called out if someone thinks i’m wrong. Then I can take a look at what they say and adjust my own opinions if the other guy makes sense.
Though i dont go to .ml, they seem more interested in witch hunts than making anything better.
That’s probably for the best Jamie Oliver - you do have a public persona to consider.
Yeah, but at least I can make a grilled cheese unlike that other dunce Gordon
in reddit you have to walk on eggshells when your in those subs, even if your “agreeing with everyone else”, one simple misconstruement will get you banned.
in reddit you have to walk on eggshells when your in those subs, even if your “agreeing with everyone else”, one simple misconstruement will get you banned.
The rando-ban problem on reddit is its biggest flaw. I’m afraid to submit anything there. And I generally only comment in small subs.
i did that unbeknownst they were haivng a ban wave last week, and subs upping thier spam removal filters, plus they dont like if you report too much, or report something the MODS dont like, from what ive gathered if a mod responds to your “report of another player” you are mostly getting a warning, or ban from thier subreddit, and this also it constitutes as account-wide violation once you get banned by a mod for reporting someone. and its also corroborated on the “modsupport” sub that they hate having to deal with Report abuse in general.
See, that’s exactly the kind of thing I come here for. Keep doing it!
Honestly I think your approach is closer to the ideal: it’s pretty poisonous to the mind if most of the content you take in is political in nature. You need to explore other stuff too, broaden horizons and all that.
I’ve been learning how to design parts with CAD software and 3D print it. Also got a home server going to host games and media, among other things. These hobbies keep me sane, and that’s what I’m ultimately getting at: people need to get a hobby that isn’t about being mad on the internet.
Also instead of just whining on the internet, its far more effective to engage in local politics and build up a base of people there than hoping that “someone” will do “something” about the whole country. That “someone” has to come from somewhere: create the grassroots that can be the base from which change springs.
Can I ask what resources your using to teach yourself CAD? I want to learn it as well.
MangoJelly’s FreeCAD course is great, but there are others out there too. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWuyJLVUNtc3UYXXfSglVpfWdX31F-e5S
But holy moly, it’s a political purity test! Like, I think of myself as pretty socialist, way far off center, but I feel totally alone veering off certain topics or even acknowledging certain things! I’m (mostly) not getting banned, and I am not leaving, but still.
I saw people advocating for damaging people’s Teslas and it was fucking stupid. Beyond the fact that many people are not in a position where they can just get rid of a car over political reasons, it is likely many or even the majority of Tesla owners do not vote Republican (conservatives have been much slower to adopt EVs): you’re very likely going to damage vehicles owned by totally innocent people.
I own a non-Tesla EV but either way it would be excessively expensive to switch to another car on a whim, and I sure as hell am not going to deprive my family just because seeing my car’s brand hurts people’s feelings.
I feel like 3 kinda comes with the territory of politics. The sort of people who mod political forums have more rigid ideas of what ideas should prevail in the discourse than someone modding a board for embedded electronics, not that that’s an inherently bad thing.
It just feels worse because a greater portion of Lemmy is politics; here I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala months after the election or not going along with a china bad circlejerk, but at reddit people catch bans for “John Brown did nothing wrong” or just posting footage from Palestine.
Yeah. To be clear, I don’t feel “persecuted” by the administration, just the community. That’s a very important difference.
the gaza/palestine thing is very tricky, many of the subs have been infiltrated by pro-israeli mods, early on the war, they were spamming “jews are doing nothing wrong, if we jews dont destroy them they will destroy us”, i pointed out in one, where the war was instigated and started by the same person who is keeping himself out of jail in israel.
i pointed out in one, where the war was instigated and started by the same person who is keeping himself out of jail in israel.
Israel has a terrible PM. But the war was started by Hamas.
Pro-zionist sentiment was definitely prevalent on here following Oct 7th. It took many months for anti-zionist sentiment to outpace it, thanks to many people debunking their misinformation and sharing articles that showed the reality that most Western Media downplayed if not ignored
On places like reddit, we mostly continue to see more and more banning of anything anti-zionist. r/Palestine might be the only place left that isn’t aggressively pro-zionist on there
on r/worldnews my whole acct was suspended for 7 days for contradicting bibi, and HAMAS, who started the war, the commentor threw a fit and made a nasty comment and reported me, sometimes you can tell who reported you by looking at your previous message.
Adi Callai has done a phenomenal analysis of the situation, The Gaza Ghetto Uprising. I highly recommend if you’re interested.
Reddit is a lost cause, seeing how worldnews was regulated to promote Zionist disinformation was enough for me to leave. I think the kind of open source and federated communities such as Lemmy have much potential. Hard to say if they will be or not when it comes to genuine organization of working class people, but hopefully it can help in some way.
I’ve caught bans for being insufficiently pro-Kamala
I talked some shit during the election and didn’t cop a ban lol. I guess you either had more visibility or were in even more extreme places than I was?
Lemmy Leftists feel like that old Emo Philips joke at times.
Apparently anyone not wanting to live in a grey soviet tower block and have all their worldly possessions be redistributed by the state is a “fucking Lib”
People who call themselves “leftists” and hate “liberals” are almost always Stalinists or Communists. “Left” is actually a word that covers an entire spectrum of left of center: liberals, ultraliberals, and radical.
The irony is that the Stalinists are using a misleading inclusive word “leftist”, but historically Stalin and Lenin considered all the other leftist parties in Russia to be their main enemy, not people on the right. Members of these 2 leftist parties were their very first victims. All of them were killed or sent to the Gulag. And then later Stalin made an alliance with Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Revolutionary_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks <— this party was originally the very same party as the Bolsheviks and was the majority faction.
“Emo” is one hell of a name.
And a hell of a comedian.
Reddit has the same issue though.
But it’s still far more political here…
It’s more politically informed, for certain.
It’s scary until you notice you don’t get banned for disagreeing & challenging their dumbassery (as long as you follow the rules), unlike reddit where the slightest wrong move & it’s BAN BAN BAN. Fuck that place.
It also helps to check which instance a post comes from & adjust your expectations accordingly.
It’s expected. Right now, it is becoming a safe space for political dissidence. As sentiment pools and gathers mass, things tend to get towards the polar opposites and revolt breeds more revolt. Anything less than total agreement is viewed sideways.
I got banned from the Star Trek Memes sub, or something, for very mild trolling. I don’t even remember what earned it, I think I said I can’t get my head around an animated Star Trek and can’t accept it as canon or something, and then the trolling was just me doubling down on that opinion (which is an actual opinion). People do love their fandoms.
These problems usually solve themselves as the network grows.
Lucky you… I managed to get banned once, for not being “left” enough. So I just don’t engage in specific kind of topics anymore.
i argue that there arent really any niche communities. if I see a site with slow and limited posts, and 0 comments on most of those posts, can I really call that a community? i like video games and furry stuff. the video game and furry stuff sites have next to nothing on them. apparently the only ‘geeks’ here are Linux users who only talk about Linux distros or tankies who hate everyone and everything
I mean I think those are just the people who comment on politics threads.
Why are you on Reddit, it is vile and absolutely terrible, better stay away.
Both of these posts are complaining about their accounts being banned, which happened because they (at least one of them) posted low effort questions and therefore got lots of downvotes and got automatically banned by a system meant to ban bots and trolls. The irony is that reddit has major problems with their automatic moderation which you yourself as an user is completely powerless to controll, e.g. recently when a massive amount of nsfw subreddits were banned for being unmoderated which they later admitted was erroneous.
Lol. Lemmy feels more like reddit than reddit.
I’ve noticed a rise of Bot Moderators on reddit and their AI is not very good. They pick up on certain words and not context. One banned me for 3 days for harassment but I was defending myself against someone that was being antagonistic against me. My appeal was rejected :(
Lemmy tastes like reddit that I have grown in my backyard garden.
An heirloom Reddit, if you will.
so small and bitter but you just smile through it and say “it’s so good! 😢”?
maybe I don’t know how to grow stuff…You kind of just tipped your hand at your gardening ability. And also that you’ve never had a real tomato.
you are correct, I have been known to somehow kill a cactus or two.
Spider plants are going insane though, dispute losing >50% of them to the cold and rain this winter they are still living just fine. They’re like the plant version of cockroaches
Good to know, I decidedly do NOT have a green thumb either
I argue mostly everyone here never had a real banana. No, the ones in the stores aren’t the original flavor.
Well, the one in the stores are real bananas. They aren’t Gros Michel bananas, but that’s because Gros Michel went extinct before I was born (and I’m not exactly young anymore.) We might lose the Cavendish before I die.
Supposedly the “banana flavor” in candy is closer to a Gros Michel than to a Cavendish.
Also: Gros Michel bananas have slippery peels. Cavendish do not! That’s where the weird trope with no remaining connection to real life comes from.
Woah. I was today years old when I learned the slippery banana trope comes from an extinct banana.
Stuff you learn from old cartoons, right? Like how shaking salt on a bird’s tail will prevent it from flying away. Where’d that go? Seems like I saw it a lot in cartoons when I was a kid, but haven’t heard this trope in 40 years.
Wait Jon Bois did some research on this recently: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8W5GCnqT_M and slips have happened since the Gros Michel went extinct.
So, your comment isn’t the whole story.
And “real” wild bananas are basically inedible.
Even last year when my tomatoes did poorly they still taste so much better than supermarket ones. Tbh outside a greenhouse I don’t think they really grow very well in the UK at all but I was given them so decided to try in the garden.
Main things I am growing is rosemary, thyme, sage, chives, mint, garlic and opium. But I kinda want to start guerrilla gardening some fruit bushes. Raspberries would be nice to plant around town.
Tulips.
Lemmy is tulips.
All the way down.
Lemmy feels like reddit from 2010, when it was good.
It’s so weird to read this, because other than a dork messaging me saying they were going to report me to the FBI I’ve had nothing but a lovely time on Lemmy.
Ima be real everyone is kissing lemmys ass but… I mean, it feels like reddit? Which is good?
Feels no different from reddit so far lol it’s not better or worse, really
New here but so far it feels like Reddit used to feel 10 years ago - a bit less populated maybe.
The top comment on reddit is always a stupid fucking joke or pun. Not so on lemmy. That’s the biggest difference I notice when I go back to look at reddit. On popular posts the whole first 3 threads are inane bullshit.
“I also chose this guys dead wife”…
Like the inside jokes were really good on Reddit like the switcheroo one, or the guy that always had that whole comment that ended in the wrestling scene but most of them were just repeated to death
Yeah Lemmy has the user base that will dogpile you if you say something mildly upsetting
Windows 11 is the best operating system Microsoft have released in a long time, and I think it wins out on Arch Linux.
Bait used to be believable
After 5 words it was already evident that you were lying
Windows XP was the best OS ever. Then it was overtaken by any other alternative.
I never had any issues with Vista and kept it until I was forced to go to 7.
Main difference from reddit is that you don’t see the same joke repeated in every thread. And here if you comment something it’ll probably be read by at least a few people.
Those top posts on reddit are always karma farming bots
Not so sure about the jokes. I use Arch BTW…
Disclaimer: I actually don’t. I’m too lazy these days.
Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
I find myself getting into less stupid arguments here, and it feels more active.
Same culture, less exploitation by a corporation.
Here, your comment doesn’t get completely buried if you make one on a popular post. Part of that is the lack of heavy volume, of course, but I also feel like the sorting is more favorable to less upvoted comments.
I don’t get the hate this place gets. It’s been really interesting watching Lemmy’s growing pains over the last two-ish years and all the changes it has undergone. The whole concept of the Fediverse is fascinating to me and has been a genuine delight to explore.
Agreed. I never even had Instagram or twitter but I’ve become a pixelfed and mastodon lurker after enjoying Lemmy for 1+ years. The comment section here is miles ahead of reddit, where you get repost after repost and the same old tired jokes in every comment section.
The fediverse is fantastic and I’m happy to be a (very minor) part of it.I’m almost 40, this place reminds me of the early internet in a good way. Like, people connecting and sharing ideas… what even Reddit used to feel like. Sure, sometimes there are arguments but, due to the lack of an “outage” algorithm to juice engagement, you usually only hear about it unless it’s something you directly follow. With the lack of profit motive on the side of the platform and hosting end of things, it appears that trolls and clout chasers have a genuine hard time monopolizing everyone’s attention.
I’m a little older and while all my buddies were on the internet in the early days it didn’t interest me but I was well aware of how it functioned.
I was a reddit lurker back when it was cool and a place to gain knowledge (depending on the sub) then a few years back finally becoming a user until the last couple years seeing it really go down hill fast turning into a typical " social media platform"
Leemy gives me a sense of nostalgia for something I missed out on in the past. …And I don’t feel like an asshole scrolling in my spare time
Same. It feels more personal.
I feel that as well, but I think that may be as a consequence of there being such a small user base. It may go away with time.
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Lol.
There’s a lot of negativity here tbh
I haven’t really seen it outside of the like normal levels of hate. Which subLemmys or whatever are you seeing it on?
Just in general there is no level of chill. I have the down votes completely disabled
Avoid the news communities and filter out the Trump and Elon spam and you’ll have a much better time.
I blame Tankies. They’re too aggressive with their “liberals this, liberals that” bullshit, which drives a way a lot of people cause that makes Lemmy look like a MAGA-infested shithole to anyone who doesn’t know what a Tankie this.
Hexbear and LemmyGrad’s bullshit almost made me quit Lemmy day one, until I learned how instances work and how to block them. I imagine that less-determined redditors will take one look at this place, see a liberal-bashing post, and then immediately fuck off.
I wish Tankies would just stay in their own god damn space, and keep their bootlicking politics to themselves. They’re ruining Lemmy.
Buddy they made Lemmy, you’re in their space
Quite frankly I’m not looking forward to the renewed deluge of Reddit opinions like “the US Army is socialism”
I mean, tbf, joining the military IS what made me start looking into the concept of Socialism and what it means.
Is the military socialism? No, us Enlisted have no power and the Officer corps is the “owning class”, but we have good, tax payer funded social benefits that I believe everyone should have access to.
It’s like a gateway drug into anti-capitalism idealogies. If the US is never going to go full socialist (or at least not in our lifetimes), then I think raising taxes and giving everyone TRICARE, VA Loan benefits, tuition assistance, and a pension will go a long way in solving most people’s biggest fears/relieving a metric fuckton of oppression caused by capitalism.
Also, having been to the Middle East and seen firsthand the stark difference of people driving around Ducatis and Lambos, parking in front malls inlaid with real gold, while 10 minutes up the road whole communities had built their shack homes in the desert with random odds and ends and thrown blankets over their windows was…I cant really describe the feeling I got. Dread, anger, immense sadness, just a whole myriad of negative emotions. Couple that with the intense religious fervor that is rampant in the region, and yeah, I have no idea how a military member can look at all that and be like “This. This is what America needs.”
Granted, yes, unfortunately a lot of our service men and women are still unfortunately extremely pro-Capitalism/Trump and Elon Musk fanboys…I just don’t know how.
Either way, my comment got long, but when people start in on the “The Army is Socialist!” Dont be mad. Educate! They’re at the very least coming from a place of “Fuck, we really could make everyones lives better if we give everyone these benefits that we enjoy so much!” And that shows compassion for others, which is something so fucking desperately needed right now.
You’re right, but it doesn’t stop it from being tiresome to constantly be fighting that battle.
Oh I believe that 100%!
I suppose I’m a little more patient with it because I went through the same change myself, AND because I like people (finally) pointing out that we do have a system for socialized healthcare in America!
I blame the anti-tankies. Like this is the only site i even see the termed even used and it looks like a weird hysteria for most. The community is already smal so it looks relay wired. Even this whinny attitude of blocking every one on this tiny space give real off vibes.
I am much more liberal with the block on lemmy than reddit simply because I know that I will probably have to interact with the person again if I don’t block them. I dont think I ever blocked more than maybe 10 people in the entirety of my time on reddit. on lemmy I block basically everyone I just don’t want to hear from.
they already have thier safe spaces on r/consevative, conspiracy, and trueunpopular opinon, but they whine on other subs that th ey are still get censored, or the so-called left is in an echo-chamber ever since trump won. even though those sub is mostly run by russian state owned bot system.
Can confirm - I’m new here and when I see pieces of shit who’d be right at home amongst the people my grandfather killed in WWII (AKA nazis) it doesn’t make me more interested in sticking around. At this point IDGAF why they think they way they think, they can fuck off into the sun. At some point I’ll see whatever blocking thing there is and it will get better. Still an improvement over reddit.
people my grandfather killed in WWII
YSK that it was tankies who killed 80% of the Nazis in ww2
We know, it was a team effort.
There was also that broken Nazi/Soviet pact and all that carving up of other peoples countries though that was supposed to go the other way.
And look, another Nazi plot with the Russians.
The Nazis had pacts with literally everyone. The Soviets were one of the last to sign one, because they had spent the proceeding years trying to form an explicitly anti-Nazi pact with the capitalist nations, only to be rebuffed.
If Chamberlain had listened to Stalin, the war either wouldn’t have happened, or it would have been over much more quickly.
The Nazis had pacts with literally everyone.
Nope. With only with Russia, Axis nations, and a few small countries.
Stalin literally made a pact with Hitler to participate in the imperialist invasion of Poland.
Here’s one example that took place a year before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
Neville Chamberlain and Édouard Daladier made a pact with Hitler to just give him their former ally, Czechoslovakia.
Everyone except America :)
(Which had segregation and was the inspiration for half of Nazi Germany’s policies)
Everyone except America :)
Tends to happen when there’s war happening in another continent
It’s the cutting up other peoples countries part without their say that the bully countries never understand.
There was also a secret protocol to the pact, which was revealed only after Germany’s defeat in 1945[101] although hints about its provisions had been leaked much earlier, so as to influence Lithuania.[102] According to the protocol, Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland were divided into German and Soviet “spheres of influence”.[101] In the north, Finland, Estonia, and Latvia were assigned to the Soviet sphere.[101] Poland was to be partitioned in the event of its “political rearrangement”: the areas east of the Pisa, Narew, Vistula, and San rivers would go to the Soviet Union, and Germany would occupy the west.[101] Lithuania, which was adjacent to East Prussia, was assigned to the German sphere of influence, but a second secret protocol, agreed to in September 1939, reassigned Lithuania to the Soviet Union.[103] According to the protocol, Lithuania would be granted its historical capital, Vilnius, which was part of Poland during the interwar period. Another clause stipulated that Germany would not interfere with the Soviet Union’s actions towards Bessarabia, which was then part of Romania.[101] As a result, Bessarabia as well as the Northern Bukovina and Hertsa regions were occupied by the Soviets and integrated into the Soviet Union.
It’s the cutting up other peoples countries part without their say
Please tell me what alternative there was for these “cut up countries”. If the USSR hadn’t established military presence in these countries, they’d just have been invaded by the Nazis. Maybe you expect the Soviet Union, after being ignored for a decade of mutual defense negotiations, to selflessly send its people to die for the countries that refused a military alliance? Like literally, what was the alternative here
I imagine that less-determined redditors will take one look at this place, see a liberal-bashing post, and then immediately fuck off
Good. The last thing we need is more stormfront brainrot.
Also, quite the ironic comment.
Bro inadvertently it made a new copypasta 😂
All politics ruin everything.
Only way you believe this is if you’re extremely priviledge so that politics don’t impact your life or ignorant about the fact that it does.
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Most politics*
Happy now?
Idk I kind of like Lemmy so far 🤷
it’s basically like a super Reddit
Wait till they hear about reddit
Oh no… Anyway.
Apparently there is a guy called Lemmy LMAO 🤣
yes. extremely dangerous website
Usually when there are more comments than upvotes it means that OP is getting thoroughly roasted
Nah that went away with the advent of the “proportional” scoring or whatever bullshit they called it like 10 years ago
It’s that what happened when a popular post that was ‘blowing up’ on Reddit went from 500 updoots on the front page to mediocre front-page posts regularly getting 3-4k updoots seemingly over night?
I was there, I remember the change, I can’t remember why it happened.
It was ostensibly to make it harder for advertisers to game their own posts (similar to not showing you your own posts’ scores for a set period after creation), but like everything else on that site, it’s turned into some bullshit activist mods and admins use to keep things their corporate overlords don’t like from gaining too much traction.
