Fascism is back like in the late 1920s, we all know what happened right after.
NGL, I dont know what happens after this time. It seems like the entire west is turning to fascism so I’m not really sure who’d fight it
What gets me is that it’s all a response to the generally centre right governments focusing on business for the last 45 years. Government has forgotten about the individual in the west. And the people have had enough.
Why then, do they turn further right? This should be bonanza time for the left.
- Far right parties are happy to tell lies to get into power, so the people hear what they want to hear.
- 100 years is too long for living memory to survive.
The answer is the conservative propaganda machine, and the USA is a prime example.
Everything that made America “great” post WW2 were “socialist” driven labour, regulatory movements that decreased wealth inequality, improved economic mobility and housing security, increased quality of life and education, held corporate criminals accountable, etc, etc.
Wealthy sociopaths took that personally, and have spent the last 55 years destroying all of them; mainly through their ownership of media and dissemination of propaganda/disinformation, destruction of education. They chose fascism over improving the species and civilisation. They are our great filter, if we let them succeed.
They’re creating a system in which millions have to die for them to win and dozens have to die for us to win. I know which odds I’m taking in that bet.
Yeah, but thanks to their control of the media, they’ve also created a system where millions will leap to defend them while demonizing anyone who criticizes them. When things get truly dire, they’ll just point at some random demographic and say “it’s their fault!” and their followers will eat it up.
I’d love for them to face consequences for their actions, but going by history they’ll keep getting away with things until an ally backstabs them for power or the regime has eaten itself and fully fallen.
That’s true but as the saying goes “cut off the head of the snake and the body dies”. Eventually followers have no one left to follow whereas the other group has no real leaders. Once enough realize it’s a numbers game the outcome is easy enough to predict. The situation just needs to be viewed in a slightly different way than most people are conditioned to view it in.
That may be a big perspective shift but most of the constraints to our perceived available responses come from the desire to continue living within the confines of a social contract that is rapidly deteriorating. Most people haven’t begun to feel that directly yet but once they do the situation could change very quickly.
I think that violence is inevitable which is what you are saying between the lines.
A couple years ago these stories broke that ultra rich are prepping for doomsday scenarios like in mad max where some horde is trying to storm their compound and they just defend themselves until everything blows over.
They do not plan on having most of humanity around. The time to stop them is now, not when everything is lost and they hide in their bunker.
The left gained a lot but mostly from the green party. Afd voters are lumpenproletariat that is unable to read. If they could read they would not vote against their interests.
The unresolved issues caused by low birth rates and high immigration from incompatible cultures leading to less social cohesion in society.
I’m not sure anyone really fought it last time. The wars didn’t start until Germany started invading other nations which is what started the shooting.
The US didn’t even enter the war until it was bombed.
“We fought fascism” is a bit of retroactive justification IMHO. We didn’t, we were just defending ourselves from fascists who attacked first.
If Hitler stayed in Germany… Who knows?
Yeah, history doesn’t provide much help in this regard because fascism was stopped by the Axis losing a war. That’s not happening this time.
And even then nazis were still everywhere in the government, courts, police, army and everywhere else. Hell, some old new generals of newly formed Bundeswehr even had plans to overthrow the government.
Entnazification is a myth, they were never gone and now they don’t even need to hide anymore.
Just like the American Confederacy! Turns out you can’t just ignore the bastards and hope they change.
It’ll be the communist in China who will fight fascism. But even China’s claim as being a communist is questionable since the 1990’s.
Surely the fascists pretending to be communist will save us from the fascists pretend to be democratic!
But who’s going to be the Allies this time?
Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and others will make sure there will be no “Allies” this time…
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Don’t say that too loud, they might find a reason to send you off to something like alligator alcatraz once they’re in power.
Apparently, those people mysteriously disappeared.
Don’t let them get to you. Its like 1000 people doing this. We can change it still.
I wish I believed you. I try to keep my defeatism to myself but the overwhelming majority of people around me IRL are going around like nothing is happening, ignoring current events in the name of self care. Must be fucking nice.
Yeah, I feel you. I’m ruzzian, and I’m mostly sit in my parents’ home, cause all around me are dumb as fuck
I’ve been talking with Russians on Reddit. maybe it’s all bots, but most of them really think NATO started the War in Ukraine, that every country in the West has always hated Russia and wants to destroy them, that all the invasions are in self-defense, that attacking the Baltics and Poland would be justified… it was terrifying.
they’re so cynical too - Western news is propaganda, Western democracies are shams, NATO wants to destroy Russia, everyone is Russophobic, that our citizens deserve to suffer for arming Ukraine, that we’d kill them all if we could, so they don’t care if they kill us.
they think they can break NATO, that we will fall apart if Poland is invaded, that Russia will emerge victorious and the Western order will lie in shambles. don’t they see they’re playing with nuclear holocaust? do they care? are they so fatalistic they’d play (apologies) Russian roulette with the extinction of humanity?
I ask you because you seem sane. is this just propaganda from kremlbots, or are most Russians really like this?
Most ruzzians are like this because of cremlin propaganda. It’s on all news channels, all celebrities either echoing it, or escaping the country, and than those who left here will run hate campaign against them. Some left three years ago, and they still showing them on TV, calling them traitors and almost straightforward wishing them death. It’s just like maga, hating 24/7.
Goddamn… Sneak peak of the near future of America I’m afraid
I am American and all ready do this but in my own place. I live in an area that worships Trump like a god.
You can see what’s happening in the USA, Germany. That’s really what you want for yourself? Again?
Yes. Unfortunately people are that dumb.
I have no part in this. Neither do my peers. Lies, deception, easy answers to complex questions and a lack in education are doing this.
Pretty much all the adults from WWII are dead. Notice we’re doing the same stupid shit? Gilded Age wealth gap, tariffs, fascism, heading for a depression, etc.?
Do better, Germany
It’s the scars of reunification. The east has a lot of people left behind.
Yes, it should have been done much better
Nah its scars of not doing anything to fight the bad guys and just “carrying on” until the fucming mold just keeps on growing.
Eastern Germany is like the US South in that regard.
Then what is Bavaria?
Edit: I guess Bavaria is analogous to Texas more than the mid or deep south.
Having spent a ton of time in Bavaria, yeah, it’s closer to Texas or the Midwest than the South.
Sorry can’t. Police and courts will stop anyone from taking out nazis themselves.
Well one of the downside of learning German after living blissfully ignorant for over a decade here is that I can now understand Germans talking around me, and holy fuck have I been exposed to such rampant racism. Kinda explains both the Nazi past, and the current popularity of AfD, and upcoming future Holocaust 2.0.
To be honest the far right is up in a lot of places.
This is a result of the ever growing divide between the rich and the poor, the cost of living crisis, the AI future where a lot of young individuals are struggling finding jobs, the unaffordability of living spaces, etc.
Look what is happening in the US, that’s what’s scarier, where the right-wing is thriving and they are turning into an autocratic state, with suppression of civil liberties, abuse of power, etc. And they are desperately trying to export this ideology across the Atlantic. They don’t want a strong EU, that can threaten their hegemony and they consider the EU as a threat, long gone are the days of friendship and partnership.
Germans for you: https://youtu.be/6MSMjuhJ224
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I don’t understand why the billionaires think they are somehow off limits or immune to social chaos. They will always be surrounded by the working class, since someone needs to cook their food, wash their clothes, and raise their kids.
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They are creating compounds, underground bunkers, they have islands and mega yachts, and they are even trying to get into space. They know what their plans are, and they know it will get really, really bad at some point, and they do not plan on being among the rest of us when that happens.
Yeah, I realize that, but someone still has to put gas in their helicopter and deliver their caviar.
russian backed afd party too.
Exactly! So many people fall in this Russian trap, not even understanding that it’s only goal is division and destabilization.
UK, France, and now Germany. The far-right really is winning everywhere huh… What can we do? Is there still hope?
Yeah, we take it to the source: Russian propaganda should be completely cut off from the rest of the internet.
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idk, honestly. usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there’s a global empathy shortage… too much hate and too little love.
usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there’s a global empathy shortage… too much hate and too little love.
It’s the understandable pent up anger because of failed promises by ruling elites, hiding behind fake smiles and platitudes, who are supposed to be representative of the people. The older I get, the less the Star Wars Prequel becomes meesa Jar Jar-y. Lucas touched on toxic masculinity and the lack of positive male role models, and I think he saw something in history that none of us have twenty years ago, on how toxic masculinity influences real politics. It’s obvious now how fascism has connection to toxic masculinity, but I think only few saw it at the time.
The only time nazis go down is when they are put down. The free world needs strength to do what’s necessary and avoid the paradox of tolerance.
It’s happening here in Australia too. I’m watching the slow rise after being lucky enough to escape the US.
I wrote about my experience going to a racist rally a month or so ago with my husband and children.
It was supposed to be peaceful and I wouldn’t have expected to be putting my kids in danger.
Fascism is a disease that spread rapidly in last century: 10-15 years. Imagine how fast it can spread in a world with Internet, cars, airplanes and trains. No place is safe
Do a little honest introspection you leftie. (I’m leftist too)
Danke, Fotzenfritz!
The strategy laid out in Foundations of Geopolitics in 1997 is being implemented
How!? Where are these numbers coming from? In Germany of all places!?
Hmm, the guy who manipulated his stock price to make himself the richest man in the world and fixed the election for Trump also supported AfD. Surely it’s a coincidence
There is money required for running campaigns and advertisements and making deals.
What it won’t do is magically populate a country with fascists, supremacists, and other extreme right wing types. Those would have to already be around.
German here.
Many Germans firmly believe the AfD is not a nazi party. Many Germans defend them because the AfD tells them what they want to hear: “It’s not your fault that you haven’t struck it big yet in your life, it’s the insert minority/marginalized group of the month’s fault.” They truly believe that the AfD will help them.
It’s the same obvious, fascist playbook that they pulled in the US and people eat it up while laughing at your idiot president.
It’s insane. People are incapable of questioning themselves and thus incapable of learning.
“It’s not your fault that you haven’t struck it big yet in your life, it’s the insert minority/marginalized group of the month’s fault.” They truly believe that the AfD will help them.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that how it literally started with Adolf Hitler!?
In essence, yes. Or at least that was a big part of Hitler’s campaign.
Back then it was the Jews and socialists gutting Germany by accepting unconditional surrender after WW1 (Dolchstoßlegende), today it’s immigrants, especially muslims, trying to impose their culture upon us.
(/s) But what happened in 1933 cannot happen again because now we are so much smarter and people back then were dumb. (/s)
That is EXACTLY what happened in America. Fight back hard NOW, it will only be harder in the future.
They didn’t kill them all in 1945 you know.
You are going to protest that they 've learned from that. They just learned not to say the word Nazi just like they learned not to oppose Jews instead of opposing genocide.
Just like we didn’t take care of business in 1865, and they quietly got their strength back and returned 150 years later.
Evil is patient.
Social media has entered the chat
Do you have a country for me to fuck off to in a few years.
Any stable democracies?
Iceland
We don’t need any more tourists, thank you.
How about citizens?
Considering they have an app there to make sure the person you’re chatting with at the bar isn’t too close of a cousin to fuck, I’d say they can probably use a few of those.
Citizens or fuckable cousins?
¿Porque no los both?
Ireland didn’t elect McGregor as president. They might be worth your time.
Canada is my only hope. Please Canadians, don’t go insane, too.
If you believe that you haven’t been watching. Conservatives nearly got a majority last election.
Ya. That was lucky how badly they fucked up.
Antartica
The German government has to get going to finally show some tangible results. The last government, at least at the end, did basically nothing, the current one is not fulfilling its promises, either, and people are left standing, seeing that money is spent everywhere but for the peoples needs.
The chancellor is 100% in the pockets of the rich, so properly taxing the top 5% to get the money to fix things is completely out of question. But that is a problem other governments seem to have, too. As if fairly taxing the rich was against some physical law of the universe. Or if taxing capital income as high as income from work would open the gates of hell.
Correction for you: the last government was heavily criticized by the media about the most absurd things nonstop for years.
The media could have used all this energy to write against the afd and we would have a different result now. Apparently it was more important to shit on a left wing liberal government than to save democracy.
Our worst chancellor since 1945 used the program of the afd as his own to keep them small. This never works. This always legitimizes right wing populist parties and does not weaken them.
The current government may not even last 4 years and then its pro Putin fascists in power.
That’s the problem. The current government has to deliver. FAST. And they have not understood that yet, I’m afraid.
Is there any context to add which makes it less appalling than it seems?
There isn’t a federal election until 2029, so these polls really don’t matter.
that is not true. it is a snapshot of current voter mentality. if this doesn’t turn around it’s only going to grow and get worse. that’s what this is useful for.
The snapshot is not necessarily accurate thought. Who answers polls now other than political extremists?
you make a valid point. polls are not all equally important. this could be an insignificant one.
Right and the mentality has almost 4 years to change and a lot of things can happen in 4 years. Which is why the current mentality really doesn’t matter.
You were doing great. I agree with you on the facts, your conclusion is baffling though. The polls don’t matter right this second, but mentality absolutely does. What planet do you live on where cause and effect have no relation?
Well, feel free to worry about the polls every week then.
Here is an articles that explains why these weekly “fake elections” polls might actually be harmful to democracy (German).
I am confused does thise poll matters or not? In your first comment you said in doesn’t, on your latest you are saying that those polls hurt democracy so that mean it has an effect and that it matter
Poor effort. Neither subject change relates to what has been said.
And just humor your daftness, there’s actual studies (global) that show indifference and obliviousness to current events are more harmful to democracy than any other single factor
It rarely change unless there is an unexpected event
you’re not understanding. cultures take longer than 4 years to fully foment. they have to go through a lengthy growing process where they are ignored then embraced, maybe ignored again, it’s a whole thing. cultures start, then stop, then restart; or sometimes they take over and push full steam ahead. you cannot know how this current climate will be received by generations preceding it and what kind of legacy it inspires or leaves behind. it’s horrifying to know that you have four years of this potential growth. why would this wane?
Right and the current government is right-wing neoliberals. They’re only going to make everyone’s lives worse so unless die Linke manages to drastically improve its reach, the discontented masses will continue to move towards fascism.
Once die Linke stops sucking Russian cock they can have my vote on the federal level. They got 4 years to make it happen.
What do they do in this manner?
The are generally pacifists and reject military spending. The official party program still contains the goal of leaving NATO and forming a defensive alliance with Russia.
To be fair, a lot of their politicians have softened their stance on these issue in the face of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but, at least from my perspective, the party itself still clings to overly idealistic policies that are just absurd in the current geopolitical climate.
The do have very good domestic policies though and I’d vote for them in local and state elections (sadly I can’t because I live abroad). But for my federal vote, they really have to update their stance on foreign policies.
You had me concerned for a moment thinking there was some scandalous russian influence i hadn’t heard of.
That’s the attitude that got America where it is. Stamp that shit out now.
So what exactly do you suggest to do? I don’t vote for them and I don’t know people that vote for them (or at least they don’t tell me). What am I supposed to do with the next weekly poll that as not consequences? If some asshole drives his car into a crowd tomorrow … and he happens to be brown enough, their poll will go up again. But in 4 years that won’t matter anymore.
So what am I supposed to do with this info? Also, even if they stay at their current polling for 4 years that doesn’t mean they’ll get to govern. Unless they manage to get 50+%, they have to form a coalition. It’s unlikely.
I just don’t see the value this kind of reporting adds. The headline might as well be “things continue to be be shitty”.
Based on my conversation with some Germans, even if afd did have the most offices held, they wouldn’t have the majority. The other parties would tend to work together and afd would tend to be on their own.
This is only partially correct. The CDU (conservatives) has growing faction in it that wants to “normalize” relations with AfD and enter a coalition with them. Steigbügelhalter is gonna halt Steigbügel.
A party not having the majority doesn’t stop fascism from taking over as Germany well knows.
Not a guarantee, just a qualifier to show it’s not a “done deal” to save someone a degree of dread.
It is a f*cking disgrace for the US and even more for Europe electing fascists.
Electing opinions over facts. But as an european I’m not surprised, sadly.
It seems that the article only mentions numbers for Frankfurt.
