• Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.de
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      21 days ago

      Upvoting because you are technically right, even though I will never accept that as the definition of literally - and I know this literally puts me in the wrong.

      • tomenzgg@midwest.social
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        A very easy way to square all this (and what I assumed everyone understood to be going on before I ever heard of this discourse) is that people are just using exaggeration for emphasis (a very common rhetorical tactic).

        Of course people aren’t saying it’s literally thing-they’re-referring-to but that it has so much in common that it’s “practically” almost exactly that thing.

        I feel like people overcomplicate what needn’t be complicated, sometimes (like people hallucinating a “fourth-person” pronoun to explain a convention perfectly already provided by current linguistical constructs).

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      You’re referencing some rando uttering a word and claiming that its early use makes it valid, like people were perfect speakers back then?

      Who’s the prescriptivist now?

      • MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io
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        The notion that “just because someone lived a long time ago, they must have been backwards, ignorant, or stupid” is one that needs to die a loud and public death. It is that line of thinking that leads people to believe that aliens built the Pyramids, Stonehenge, etc. because they are certain that folks back then weren’t clever enough to move large rocks about.

        He is a fortunate man to be introduced to such a party of fine women at his arrival; it is literally to feed among the lilies.

        The History of Emily Montague, by Frances Brooke, 1769 (emphasis: mine)

        The use in the figurative sense isn’t valid merely because of “some rando uttering a word” a long time ago. It is valid because it continued to be utilized with that meaning for the next 250 years and is still used and understandable in that sense to this day.

    • ptu@sopuli.xyz
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      First Known Use 15th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1

      You’re own source states the opposite

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          20 days ago

          I understood you claimed that the first known use of ”literally” would have been used as ”figuratively”, but in the link it says it was used in a literal sense. But I’m tired so I might have gotten something wrong.

          • MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io
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            Oh, no. I only meant that the use in the figurative sense was more than twice as old as any concerted movement against it. And even that movement is “old”. This isn’t some skibidi Ohio dreamt up by “kids these days”. It has a well established pattern of usage.

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    People say it’s freezing outside, but it’s a few degrees above water becoming a solid. What gives?

    They say they’re starving even though they just haven’t eaten all day.

    People need to follow the rules when it comes to words or else we descend into chaos. It’s literally a highway to hell!

      • kelpie_is_trying@lemmy.world
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        The way I see it is that language inevitably evolves over time. Not all of those changes make sense to everybody, and not everybody likes them, but that they will keep occurring will stay true as long as language is what we use to communicate.

        It’s all approximation anyway, so I just don’t think it matters very much as long as we understand each other. To each their own though.

  • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
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    But if something is “literally like” alleging else, does that not just equate to similar too since the literal definition of similar is to be like something else?