This guy…

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      That’s what my dad always told me when I was growing up as a brat; refusing to obey an illegal order isn’t a choice, it’s a requirement. You must not follow illegal orders, if you do you are committing a crime.

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        Also a brat who spent around 16 years growing up on various military bases… The problem with this idea is the expectation that enlisted men are knowledgeable enough to recognize an illegal order, while simultaneously being stupid enough to put their necks on the line to refuse a direct order from an officer.

        In the military as an enlisted man, you are guilty until proven innocent. It would be easier to get off knowingly participating in a war crime than to knowingly refuse an illegal order.

        The idea that American servicemen are trained to recognize and refuse illegal order is a fallacy. My dad did 26 years as an enlisted man and eventually made chief, he will openly admit to having zero faith in the US military ability to do the right thing.

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          The rules are there to ensure the proles are the ones always getting the short end of the stick.

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          Oh yeah, dad did say that he wasn’t taught anything like that until he went to OTS.

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        I mean I’ve worked directly with ACLU lawyers on this matter, and have organized with the original members of the appeal for redress.

        I went so far as to organize this panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsrwIJcxYWY&t=529s

        Where we brought on lawyers, historians, other veterans, and political commentators, all of whom had specific experience (as in, had been involved in a military court in some manner) around the relationship around disobeying illegal orders.

        And yeah. I stand by the point I made. As a service member you are legally obligated to disobey illegal orders.

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    If you’re saying “refuse illegal orders” is a rebellion that’s uh…preeeetty telling on what sort of orders you’re planning on giving.

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      I carry a little glimmer of satisfaction knowing that as soon as this administration crumbles, be it political fallout from Epstein or Trump just finally keeling over one day, Miller is most likely going to become the fall-guy for a massive portion of the wrongs committed by the administration. Rightfully too.

      But the point is, he’s not liked. He is disgusting and off-putting and the only reason he has any station or power at all is because he learned how to wormtongue Trump and has no qualms about acting as sycophantic as he acts fascist.

      Nobody likes working with him, nobody wants to be around him, and everyone is happy to let him do the talking because he seems to think he’s invincible and will never face consequences. He doesn’t fit into modern politics, it’s just that we’re surrounded by so much other nonsense daily that he seems to just blend into the background. When Trump’s power wanes, he will stick out like a swollen, festering, sore thumb and the sharks will smell blood.

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        This. I don’t think Miller knows just how much his own side doesn’t like him. He does have people over him with more power who keep him around because he’s useful, and they protect him because he’s useful, but once he’s outlived his usefulness, they’ll wash their hands of him.

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        On a related note: South Park is back to form with true satire by definition

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    “It is insurrection, plainly, directly, without question,” Miller later told Fox News. “It’s a general call for rebellion from the CIA and the armed services of the United States by Democrat lawmakers, saying that you have not only the right, but the duty and the obligation to defy orders of the commander-in-chief that those who carry weapons in America’s name should defy their chain of command and engage in open acts of insurrection.”

    Always lovely how on Fox news you can twist words, twist reality, outright lie, it’s all fine, because as they claim themselves z they’re not a news channel but an entertainment channel. Even sued the government to be able to lie…

    And these magats just eat it up like cupcakes

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    “It is insurrection, plainly, directly, without question,” Miller later told Fox News. “It’s a general call for rebellion from the CIA and the armed services of the United States by Democrat lawmakers, saying that you have not only the right, but the duty and the obligation to defy orders of the commander-in-chief that those who carry weapons in America’s name should defy their chain of command and engage in open acts of insurrection.”

    It’s a short article that’s mostly his quotes, worth the read.

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    Good soldiers know they are fighting for the constitution and the american citizenry. I don’t think we need to be worried about Stefan Mueller for too much longer.

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    I challenged Stephen Miller to a fist fight, but that chicken fucker didn’t respond.

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    Is Stephen Miller A Sociopath? Examining His Controversial Actions And Rhetoric

    Signs And Symptoms

    Identifying sociopathy involves recognizing specific signs and symptoms. Here are common indicators:

    Disregard for Laws and Social Norms

    Sociopaths often ignore rules and boundaries, engaging in illegal or unethical behaviors without remorse.

    Frequent Lying

    Sociopaths tell lies with ease, using them to gain trust or manipulate others. They may present a false image of themselves to achieve their goals.

    Inability to Form Lasting Relationships

    Sociopaths struggle to maintain deep relationships, often viewing others as tools for personal benefit.

    Easily Bored

    Sociopaths frequently seek new thrills. This need for stimulation can lead to risky behavior and frequent changes in jobs or relationships.

    Hostility and Irritability

    Sociopaths may exhibit aggressive behaviors when challenged or threatened, leading to conflicts in various settings.

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    They need to make Miller sit down in an austere interrogation room with only a recording of Charlie Kirk talking about how executions need to be televised and force children to watch.

    And over that audio recording an AI video of… well… whatever is it you imagine it should be.

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    “Rebellion!” Screams the chronic angry man who is giving illegal orders that would be treason, regardless of who is giving the order.