Back in my day we burned a lot of CDs…
Winamp! (Winamp!) Winamp! It really whips the lamma’s ass!
This CD is not for your Stereo, it’s for your Computer!
CDs nuts!
Got em.
Lol, consumerism.
Still burning cds and making tapes here. Nothing changed. You got sucked into consumer capitalism
Have you ever heard of something called a hard drive?
I made some DVDs for someone recently. First I had to dig out my old laptop that has a drive. Then install authoring and burning software.
All the help forum posts that I found were at least 15 years old, I’m amazed that any of the recommended software still existed.
I found that I still had two plastic tubes of DVD+Rs!
Linux has built-in in dvd burning and ripping tools that work amazingly. Been ripping all my ps1 and ps2 games.
FYI: unless you have a very specific model of CD drive, your PS1 backups aren’t perfect copies. They will work but the copy protection might not have been read properly. It’s not important in 99.9% of use cases. If you need a perfect copy, download NoIntro dumps.
DVD-R or DVD-RW?
not the dvd+r dvd-r shit again
+R.
If you’d asked me, I’d have said that I always bought -R, but I guess I was different person back then.
Well of course the first step is to tie an onion to your belt. You can’t burn CDs if you’re not stylish.
I burned a CD just a few days ago.
I just punched a card yesterday.
I inscribed a clay tablet just this morning
It’s about that scumbag Ea-nāṣir, isn’t it?
I recited a saga an hour ago
Why? What did the card ever do to deserve that?
It was a nasty piece of card.
Back in the day here in Finland we ordered bulk of cd/dvd r and rw’s from Åland Islands (autonomous region of Finland). They were cheaper thanks to taxes loophole. I still had 20 pcs of dvd’s from those days and burned them all to save some space on my pc.
And here’s me planning my album release and obsessing over how much vinyl and CDs to order
Spoiler alert: it’s next to none, but not cause I don’t love’em or they’re out of style, but cause I am broke
Help me out here
Nero Burning Rom was a popular program for burning CDs
I used Nero. Is this person I’m supposed to be aware of in the picture named Nero or something?
I’m no lepidopterist, but from context I’d guess that it is indeed Nero.
A much maligned Roman emperor, Nero supposedly (but almost certainly not actually) haughtily played some instrument or the other during the Great Fire of Rome.
Hence, “burning a CD-ROM” is easily associated with him even though the story is almost certainly not true and “ROM” (read only memory) was the suffix of the CDs that COULDN’T be burned 🤷
Honestly, this was some A-tier wordplay, especially considering that the company who made it is was German.
Is that last bit a dig at German humour?
Absolutely!
I thought they studied butterflies?
They do, yes. I’m just doing a variant of the “I’m no geologist but (says things that have nothing to do with geology)” meme 😁
It’s what nazis and christians burned before books were invented
“We used to mark them ‘summer mix’ and put them in a soft case full of them in the car, which was the style at the time”
You would change your disc at a red light, as tradition tells
I did it at 80 for style points
Pah, I had a CD-changer for 6 discs!
Is that the thing that holds the phone mount?
Cds are digital data storage discs that are etched in microscopic 1’s and 0’s in a microscopic spiral with a laser, and then later read back with lasers. You can only write them once but you can read them a million times. So grammatically, in the same way you “nuke” food in a microwave, you “burn” a cd in a cd drive that is capable of writing cds.
Maybe someday we can have cheap (cheaper than other storage media per gb), durable (last at least my lifetime), terabyte, fast read optical media. I would love to permanently store lots of stuff that doesn’t ever need to be rewritten.
There’s a Bluray media called MDisc that’s supposed to be more durable. It says 1000 years so I give it 100 based on the fact that the 100 year rated Verbatim AZZO DVD+R’s that I burned and verified to have low PIO errors had errors after 10 years stored in black cases in my temperature controlled basement.
People claim their burned DVD’s are all fine but I’ve never heard a post back when I asked if they’ve actually verified all the bits. “It reads when I put it in.” doesn’t mean there isn’t data corruption.
I recently learned of MDisc (there’s a CD and DVD version, too, iirc) and decided to get a burner and convert my old data CDs.
While I haven’t verified every single bit, I did check that the files copied off of it were still functional and didn’t see any issues. Also didn’t get any errors. I was surprised because I’ve had some of them for over 20 years now and didn’t do more than put them in CD binders to protect them (during the days when I didn’t even consider the longevity of the media, other then obvious things like scratches.
Only disc I wasn’t able to get the data from was a packet CD, which was a special format that facilitated treating the disc more like diskettes, where you could read or write at will via the filesystem rather than writing the disc as a special package from the start (or having multiple sessions if there’s still room on the disc after one such write). I was able to find references to the tech, though not if it was a standard or just a name a few different companies used for different implementations, but I wasn’t able to find Linux drivers that could do anything other than rip the ISO and a few strings or tell me it can’t find anything. Though it’s possible that corruption is really what happened here because I’d expect RW CDs to last a shorter time than the write once ones.
Though I suppose I could try it on my old windows machine and see if drivers are more readily available there.
Well you etch pits you don’t actually use numbers. Also it’s not a spiral, it’s not a record player it’s not been read by physical stylus so you don’t need a guide, they’re just concentric circles.
You start the disc off as a zero, then whenever you need to transition to a one you etch a pit, then it will continue to read that as one until you etch another pit and flip back to zero. So the sequence 0111001 would be etched as
_.__.__.Discs can also be overwritten, and used multiple times, you just wipe the entire top layer off and start again on the layer below, only really cheap CDs were single use.
As for the future there are already experimental crystal storage solutions (made out of artificial diamond so it would be essentially indestructible) which really are single use, but they can store hundreds of petabytes of data so you would probably just treat them as if they were rewritable. There’s also DNA storage but the equipment to save and read the data is nowhere near commercially viable yet.
The pits just represent numbers. A 1-bit memory cell typically stores high or low voltage. The numbers 0 and 1 only exist as a platonic ideal, and there are many ways to represent them in the real world.
Ngl, i didn’t know it was concentric circles. I always thought it was a spiral like a vinyl record.
Also the encode is pretty neat, I didn’t know that.
I DID know about RWs being rewritable, and you could sort of brute force some supposedly single write discs.
To be clear, I wrote that to be as simple as possible like if a person read it who really didn’t have any idea, they could have a relatively quick understanding in plain terms. Guess even I learned something today!
I think there are some optical media like that. the discs are cheap but the readers are made of mithril.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc - This one floundered and died before coming to market
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_optical_data_storage - A bunch of different solutions, and it looks like they were all being developed independently circa 2008, and then went nowhere
My guess is that there’s not much use case beyond archival backups. That’s not going to get the economies of scale that CDs/DVDs/Blu-rays have. It’d be priced for the enterprise market, but they already have perfectly good archival backup solutions. You’d also have to prove that it can be durable for at least a few decades, but even for commercial duplication, previous optical formats are just OK at best on longevity.
huh, I could have sworn there was a format for long-term archival, like 50+ years. I guess the GitHub Arctic Code Vault project went with microfilm using some very custom equipment to produce it all. but maybe everyone just uses tape (which is fun! but a bit less durable, and more finicky about being stored well)
M-disc, I presume?
