A society is always about 3 days of hunger away from a violent revolution. Start your clocks.

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    this is a disaster for the people affected (and also every society is 3 days without food before violent revolutions and all that) but also IMO these programs should ideally be paid for by the states anyways, not the federal government. i also think that taxes should go to the states instead of the federal government, and the states then forward whatever amount is appropriate to the federal government. that would make the states more resilient against these kinds of federal fraud.

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    This will destroy the US economy. I hope you like standing in bread lines…

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    SNAP has traditionally been entirely federally funded, but is administered by states. That means the shutdown’s impact on SNAP and when benefits will start to dry up will vary state by state.

    So about those government contracts for immigration, you would think some of those states that raked in a lot of money, could perhaps use that ill-gotten money to at least benefit the residents of their states.

    Funny that Florida got more than half a billion dollars from the government the day before the shutdown, but they just can’t find it within their hearts or their budget to use any of that money to feed families relying on food stamps in their state. Wonder where it’s going instead?

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    Good, it is completely unnecessary. It’s a bad solution to an old problem that already has much better solutions out there that are much more accessible too. They only made it so people will rely on them for everything and stop trusting others, but thankfully it failed. Canonical should be ashamed of themselves for ever trying this snap thing.

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      I hated that she sounded like a politician dodging questions with nonsense answers. She should have been direct and stopped worrying about being a different direction than Biden.

      But yes with all those flaws she would have been better than Trump by miles.

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        Shame millions of leftists had advanced warning of Project 2025, chose to ignore it and boycott the only viable other candidate anyway, and now are living with the concenquences of that inaction.

        But they’re still only blaming Kamala and the Dem party, rather than taking a moment for self reflection as to how they willingly surrendered the country to fascism and damned marginalized groups to hell on Earth.

        Kamala was a shitty candidate, but the left who boycotted the vote owns their own inaction. It’s not Kamala’s fault everyone had a year advance warning on Project 2025 and chose to do nothing anyway.

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          Nothing we could have done would have made genocide, the MoSt lEtHaL miLiTary electable. The only thing we could have done was riot to get a candidate and policies capable of winning.

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            You’re missing the point entirely.

            Everyone agrees Kamala was shit. That’s not the point.

            The point is millions of leftists, the people who are supposed to be advocates for marginalized peoples, absolutely refused to be advocates for said marginalized peoples when the easiest possible way to do it was to show up and vote for Kamala.

            Was Kamala shit? Yes.

            Would all these marginalized people be sent to concentration camps whole the government abandons the rule of law entirely and ends democracy under Kamala?

            Obviously no.

            Yet so many millions of leftists, especially those in swing states, decided to surrender these marginalized people to the fourth Reich instead.

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      Maybe she shouldn’t have committed genocide in Gaza if having a chance of getting elected was important to her

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        Hey dipshit,

        Trump supported the genocide in Gaza too.

        The difference is Kamala wouldn’t be committing a genocide against minorities in the US too, while sending the military and her own Gestapo to US cities to crush dissent.

        Trump IS doing that, we knew over a year in advance to the election that he would do that, yet y’all refused to support the one thing that would’ve prevented that, which was Kamala, like her or not.

        Hope your hollow virtue signal of sticking it to the Dems is worth the pro-genocide option of letting Trump win and commit even more genocide, including inside the US.

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        fun fact: i think it has nothing to do with it. it’s just that trump is a reality tv star and tv stars and entertainers tend to get elected in democracies (see england, italy, USA) because they know how to present themselves to the people in an “entertaining” way and also because harris refused to focus on the real buying power of people.

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    It’s mostly going to be the elderly who suffer. People just forget about old people. They can’t get out and go stand in line at food pantries.

    Sometimes they don’t have anyone checking on them very often.

    Most don’t know how to get online and find services and such.

    If you have an elderly neighbor or family member. Try to check with them and see if they need help.

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    This administration needs to be concerned about what happens when you have millions of people with nothing to lose anymore.

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      I can’t imagine the people in the US fighting against the government because to have a will to fight, you have to have something worth protecting in your life, and i’m pretty sure that social cohesion has been eroded so much in the USA that people simply won’t care about their neighbours enough to actually fight and risk their lifes for them, but what do i know.

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          Totally. But they have been begging for “Civil War”. Like it’s some Hero’s Journey and people won’t die. It’s so short sided and dumb I can’t believe they actually believe it’s for the better.

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            You can only get your civil war if there are two clear sides, divisible by geography and cultural lines.

            When you just have a widespread, starving population, you get mobs and mass riots and government leadership dragged out of their homes and offices.

            I am not sure at all what their game is. I know they want the chaos but surely they can’t be so dumb that they think this will… oh yeah, lol caught myself there. They’re that dumb.

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              DT is probably just thinking back fondly of his last visit to North Korea.

              “Hey, what if I did that?!”

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      if there isn’t a government, why pay taxes to it?

      actually, stupid question. but what percentage of people could do a tax strike, resulting in the government having no funds or means to go after all of them. and collapsing?

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          There is the idea of taxing them 2%, chosen bellow inflation, so their wealth would still grow, it is a tax that they wont even feel. And it is ridiculously bellow what everyone else pays.

          Yet, even that, painfully compromised idea is considered ridiculous by the rich and powerful.

          Their greed knows no bounds

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        Vast majority of working people have federal taxes automatically deducted from their checks before they even see a dime. Most people get refunds at the end of the year instead of having to pay, so it would be up to the self-employed and basically anyone who doesn’t file a simple form to start withholding their taxes.

        I guess we could talk about getting everyone to adjust their paycheck withholdings but most people live under the assumption that “everything will blow over by next year” whatever the circumstances.

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        The issue is they will just write IOUs. It’s not like they can’t. They can also literally print money. So.

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          yeah the federal government can essentially print arbitrary amounts of money through the federal reserve bank if it has control of it, yes.

          the only way out (to prevent the federal government from having infinite, literally unlimited economic buying power) is to devalue the dollar in such a way that the dollar becomes completely worthless, i.e. its value goes to zero. but this will only happen if people stop accepting the dollar as a valuable currency, i.e. if people switch to using alternative currencies instead, like the euro (€) or something else entirely.

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        Well they print money so not really any amount of people, but at this point you are probably better off just paying taxes to your state, because the federal government is mostly just a Mafia middleman anyways, which has become very apparent under trump. Taking people’s own tax money away from them because they don’t like him or his terrible policies.

        The reality is almost all of this money, well the part that is leftover to give back to the people, is given back to the states anyways, just with a bunch of strings and hands in it. The federal government likes this so that they can manipulate what is taught in schools and road laws and everything else. The states rely on getting their citizens money back from the federal government and so they get this defacto management by executive agencies and stuff.

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      Biden is old, you see, and there was also a woman who wasn’t exactly adamant about Israel, so you have to starve now. But don’t worry, if you starve enough, something will surely happen. And if not, at least there will be a civil war, isn’t that great? You get to die in a random shootout, isn’t that wonderful? So glad we didn’t vote so this lady didn’t win.

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        True, but as for the last part -

        we didn’t vote

        We actually did. The even more depressing reality is the last three presidential elections had the highest turnout of registered voters and young voters in American history.

        What’s fucked up is that exit polling showed that most people were entirely tuned-out and saw no difference between the candidates because most people don’t watch the news or politics, most people are uninformed on basic science and reason, most people have curated social media feeds that push attention-span erosion and right-wing propaganda, and a good QUARTER of the adult population of America is functionally illiterate. Meaning studies have shown that 22% or more of adults in the US cannot read more than a couple words strung together or have to piece together sentences contextually. They can work, they can answer text messages, but are incapable of assembling paragraphs and forming complex abstractions.

        We’re fucked on a level that is hard to convey.

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          the highest turnout of registered voters and young voters in American history.

          This is one of the problems with how we’ve pushed the messages like “rock the vote”, that you should vote, no matter what, or you’re being a bad citizen.

          If you can’t be bothered to actually try to be informed, then you shouldn’t feel pressure to vote. Sure, you should be allowed to vote no matter what, but no one should be pressuring you to vote even with lack of interest.

          We should be emphasizing you should get to know the candidates up and down the ballot, not just getting your mark on a ballot.

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            We should be emphasizing you should get to know the candidates up and down the ballot

            *we should have been

            this was probably the last election in a long time

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            The erosion of our education system and attention spans is a feature of the system, not a bug. They wanted this all along, and have been working on it for decades. There’s a reason the right has hated PBS since it came out, and it’s not just because Bert and Ernie are a same-sex couple.

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      Republicans don’t give a fuck if they kill people by withholding healthcare, obviously they don’t give a fuck if people starve.

      Maybe that’s why they love Israel so much?

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    Just a reminder that no one steals food in America. If you thought you saw someone shoplifting food, no you didn’t! That never happened, you imagined it, turn around and walk away, nothing to report here.

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      Duh, the U.S. government stopped SNAP payments and Trump will soon say nobody is poor or hungry here. Thus shoplifting is impossible, if you see it or ghosts, you’re literally hallucinating.

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      Not American, but I totally didn’t see someone shoplifting a couple of weeks ago and I just carried on with my business, but on the way out I heard another customer grassing them out. What is the world coming to?

      You know what you hardly ever see - billionaires telling on each other for their crimes for no reason. Solidarity, people!