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    Note that this means “83% of people killed were civilians”, not that 83% of civilians were killed. As the graph in the article illustrates, that puts this neck and neck with other recent genocides:

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      that puts this neck and neck with other recent genocides

      The fact that this sentence can be said, unironically, and backed with data, is kinda depressing.

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      Notably, Hamas on Oct 7 killed two civilians for every military casualty. By the IDF’s own numbers, the IDF are literally greater terrorists than Hamas. Hamas literally does a better job at avoiding civilian casualties than the IDF does.

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        If you qualify military targets the way the IDF does then Hamas killed over 90% military targets on october 7.

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          And we’ll likely never know how many civilians/soldiers were killed by Israel issuing the Hannibal Directive on October 7th. Something we do know they issued that day.

          Yes. Israel has a protocol that says “killing/harming our own people is preferred to them being kidnapped”.

  • isreal wants the palestinian civillians to leave the area.

    does that happen if isreal is very careful and avoids harming civillians and its pretty safe for civillians even if they stay?

    or if the civillians know they risk being horrifically and indiscriminately massacred if they stay?

    they get international hate for their actions; they also get what they want.

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    Sure is a good thing we didn’t put those gEnOcIdAl Democrats in office, huh?

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      Have some respect for palestinians getting genocidal instead of defending the two cultist parties. Condemn israel instead and keep boycotting it

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        Like Nougat, I have enough respect and logic to be able to distinguish the Greater from the Lesser Poison for Palestinians in what was a binary choice.

        More frankly: Anyone who espoused couch-sitting and MUh boTH sIdEz false equivalence fallacies are complicit in Israel’s genocide because any rational person could see Israel would be more constrained by Democrats, while Bibi and AIPAC obviously preferred Trump and Republicans winning.

        Also, this isn’t to mention they’re complicit in worsening Russia’s attempted genocide in Ukraine.

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          While you guys cry about your cult losing to the other cult . Other people keep fighting ,protesting, boycotting etc. You guys have zero respect you are just cultists

          Rational people know that the billions of dollars that Israel get from the USA is that enabling the genocide. Only fools would believe that democrats would have stopped it. Only fools would think that dems and republicans would have constrained israel.

          Netanyahu is a snake he thanked both Trump and Biden when it suited him. Netanyahu supported trump vocally more because it would create an illusion of change

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            lol none of this changes what I already wrote whatsoever. I can rest my case here if nothing substantive to add. Blood on your hands as you dream of this magical fairy-tale land of a 3rd viable option.

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              Blood on the hand of democrats and republicans who vote for aipac candidates that send billions to israel, financing their genocide while the USA keep getting worse. If all third party voters voted for Harris she would still lost.

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      This genocide would also be happening if Harris was president, nothing has changed.

      The only difference would be that every Democrat would be supporting the genocide in lock step, rather than what’s happening now with Democrats finally speaking out.

      Trump brings out the best in Democrats.

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      What part of Harris’ platform leads you to believe she would have done anything different? Because her entire platform was keeping things the same and advocating for Israel’s “right to defend itself”. She was just as genocidal as the next candidate.

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        Trump entered office under a Biden negotiated ceasefire. Trump then told Netenyahu to go ahead and ignore the ceasefire.

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          The cease fire was always an illusion, israel is determined to do it’s final solution and they are no reason to stop because the usa regardless of who is the president gives billions to iarael and provide diplomatic protection

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          How does that negate anything I said? A less genocidal candidate is still a genocidal candidate. There is no “lesser evil” to genocide, only depths of depravity

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        I thought you didn’t care about “[American] partisan politics”. Are you suggesting that the genocide is over, because it’s not. There’s also been a lot going on since May 22.

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          Without your two cultist parties giving billions to Israel yearly Israel would have collapsed several decades ago and would have been forced to end occupation

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            The history of US support to Israel is one of dribs and drabs increasing over time, until we’re kind of stuck where we are today. US military aid to Israel is supposed to be for defensive purposes; what the Israeli government does with that aid is their responsibility.

            My earlier comment was my own reflection (again) on the pre-US-2024-election drumbeat about Democrats “supporting genocide” which so suddenly went away right after the election. That was never about stopping or protesting genocide; it was manipulating an election for fascists.

            Would it be a good thing for the US to stop sending that aid, in light of what Israel is doing to Gaza? Absolutely. Is there a snowball’s chance in hell that’s going to happen with the current administration in the US? Nope. That’s not to say that it would be likely with a Democratic administration. There are a whole lot of longstanding and overlapping military aid agreements in place. But it would be possible.

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              I don’t give a damn about your american excuses . You had almost 2 centuries to change a two party system into a multiparty system. You decided to be ok with the status quo . You kept switching between the two cults till the worse of the worse won. You are like someone who fail to get a job, make zero effort to change it then wonder why he is still jobless.

              Just justifying giving defensive to a country insteal of using that money to improve your own life make you complicit. America shouldn’t a dingle dime to isrsel just like they wouldn’t give money and defensive system to Nazis

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            Hate troll is obvious, dial it down a notch there bucko. Quit trying to manipulate