- cross-posted to:
- politics@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- politics@beehaw.org
During the agents’ violent attack on a delivery worker Saturday morning in DC, bystanders repeatedly demanded the agents share their badge numbers. One of them—his face fully obscured by a black balaklava—eventually shot back, “Do I have to answer to you?”
“You guys are ruining this country. You know that, right?” one bystander said to the agents at one point during the incident. An agent, ironically clad in a rainbow face mask, replied “Liberals already ruined it.”
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Last week on stage at the Netroots conference in New Orleans, I spoke with Congresswoman Delia Ramirez (D-IL) about ICE: specifically that she believes it should be abolished. It’s a stance that’s considered far left, but after witnessing ICE and other federal agents in DC this week, abolishing ICE should be the baseline Democratic position.
“ICE is a terrorist organization,” Ramirez told me. “It needs to be defunded and needs to be abolished.”
This country is going to need a new level of cult deprogramming to get anywhere. I won’t see it in my lifetime.
Maybe this time we hang all of the confederates and not let any live so this shit doesnt happen again?
Agreed. As seen with my nation and Germany, the Confederates and Nazis went on to raise Klanners and Stormfronters. ICE should be trialed and executed as a class, else they will escape the justice that they deserve. It isn’t kind, but necessary.
They chose to embrace evil, and should die because of the sins they have earned.
Apparently, the Nuremberg trials executed less than 210 Nazis. Considering how many Jews and other peoples have been slaughtered, that is a bullshit result. Trial by individual isn’t sufficient for institutionalized war crimes.
Absolutely. There is a movie about a housekeeper during the holocaust who hid Jews in the basement of the commander’s house she worked in. When he eventually found out, she bargained with him, said she would be his mistress if he would say nothing and let them live.
After the war, when the dust settled, the commander was turned away by his wife and children for sheltering the Jews, and it was the Jews themselves he had allowed to live who took him in.
There were many people living everyday lives that had drank the coolaid and saw the extermination of the Jews as absolutely necessary and considered anyone who disagreed a traitor. Those people went on to raise children and teach them that sick way of thinking.
Honestly, it sucks that execution of ICE as a class has to be considered: it isn’t unlike the cruelty they inflict on people who didn’t deserve to be abused nor killed.
That is where the distinction lies: deservedness.
Advocating for almost the same thing is icky. I cannot be said to be innocent, for supporting this method to end the madness. 😞
The difference comes down to who makes up the class. What criteria is used. In this case it is personal choices that landed them on it, so I really don’t see anything morally wrong here.
If they can commit heinous acts for the Greater Evil why can’t we do a fraction of it for the Greater Good?
Because youre becoming the thing you despise.
I find it disturbing that the 11 million other people killed in the camps are so seldom mentioned. A reasonable person who watched US media and wasnt interested in history might reasonably assume only 6 million jews died. Not 17 million human beings total. Anyone know the breakdown of the other 11 million without looking it up? No one knows.
The homeless were some of the first in the camps, as well as the disabled. Then the gays, other minorities, and the Jews.
Poles and russians made up another massive massive chunk of deaths, but seldom get mentioned. about 15000 gays were put in camps and had a 60% death rate, so about 9000 died. ~500k romani. ~250k disabled. about 5.1 million poles and russians died in the camps.
13.7 million russian civilians were killed either in camps or during occupation and forced labor. But looking at the wikipedia, its slanted pretty heavily toward recognizing jewish deaths and minimizing the other demographics. Always has been that way, which I think is pretty wrong and awful. Its been made into some wierd marketing instead of noting that every human death was equally tragic.
17 million killed in the camps, but if you ask around, many people will think its mostly or only jews, and totalled 6 million. Seems like some holocaust denial of the other 11 million murdered humans. Also when I’ve brought this up before and referred to other deaths as part of the holocaust, I’ve been told the holocaust refers to jewish people only, not the other dead.
What’s that movie called?
Irena’s Vow
Deport them to an island not that high above sea level.