• stratoscaster@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    Imo, Kant’s principles don’t really apply in this scenario, the Categorical Imperative applies to human-to-human treatment. Kant’s primary principle is act as such it would become universal law. Animal consumption is already a universal law.

    Murder (of a human) is wrong because when applied universally, then society collapses. Theft is wrong because when applied universally, the right of property, and therefore society, collapses.

    Animal consumption doesn’t cause societal collapse.

    Thoughts?

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      14 days ago

      Animal consumption causes factory farming, and farming causes chickens to develop stress-induced autophagia. I don’t like it when the chickens are so unhappy they eat themselves and need to be debeaked. We should all stop doing things that cause that.

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          4 days ago

          Well I guess that’s true if you shoplift. Shoplifting is fine. Just don’t give money to factory farmers or their distribution networks.

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            4 days ago

            unless farmers don’t have free will, the only thing that can be said to cause them to farm is their own choice.

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              4 days ago

              So you’re saying if I paid an assassin a million dollars to take your life, I wouldn’t have any blame for your murder, because the assassin has free will?

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                4 days ago

                that’s not what happens in the meat industry. the animal is already dead, and everyone involved is already paid long before I walk into a grocery store. it’s not a conspiracy.

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                  4 days ago

                  Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows? I’m going to assume you don’t think that, and I’m going to assume you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.

                  So let me know if you DON’T think that your and others’ purchasing of meat causes animal agriculture. Because I think you agree that your actions and others’ actions cause it.

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                    4 days ago

                    animal agriculture existed before anyone ever bought meat. purchasing meat didn’t cause animal agriculture.

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                    4 days ago

                    you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.

                    no. slaughterhouses kill cows because they are paid by the cattle owners to do so.

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                    4 days ago

                    Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows?

                    no, do you have a plan to make that happen?