I do understand that growling is the part that often splits opinions and I won’t act otherwise, but there’s quite a lot of metal songs/bands with no growling.

I guess the conclusion that “metal is mostly just annoying noise and throaty growling” is related to what gets discussed online - in most cases the vocal part of metal fans are already in the deep end of the subgenres, so only the really heavy stuff gets mentioned. So I do understand where you’re coming from, no real criticism here. :D

I guess the “less heavy” stuff is less often discussed, or just forgotten about when people are talking about “metal” as a whole:

• As an example Nightwish is considered metal, and they have an opera singer: Nightwish - Ghost Love Score

• Another random example, Jonathan Young’s metal cover of Hellfire (from Disney’s Notre Dame). Almost completely clean vocals, but also a bit “angry” sounding here and there.

• Kardashev - Torchpassing is also one of my all-time favourites, and it’s mostly clean vocals. I guess the genre of this song is questionable anyway, due to being a bit more “chill” in many parts of the song - but the faster parts are quite clearly metal. Growling is used like an “extra effect” a couple of times.

It’s also perfectly fine to not enjoy any of these, just dropping them here as examples about metal songs which have a clear melody and clean vocals. :D

I do like my noise-filled growling too, though. This is one of the songs where I completely understand that vast majority of people would hate it, and anyone expecting otherwise would be delusional. I love it, but I also hate when some people act like everyone should enjoy stuff like this lmao.

I really think this thread is a great example of why the average person doesn’t care that much.

The whole thread is full of comments like “the issues caused by giving away all your data are too abstract, too far away, or too difficult to understand”. This is true by the way, I completely agree.

But I haven’t seen a single comment trying to explain those possible issues in an easily understandable way. The average person (or, at least me) reading threads like this won’t learn anything new. Give me a practical issue that I might face, and if I agree that it’s an issue, I’ll focus more on avoiding that issue.

In other words, an example:

• Let’s say I’m a person using lemmy/mastodon, only using privacy-focused search engines etc.
• If I would now change to using facebook/threads, started using Chrome as my browser, etc the usual mainstream tracking stuff - what problems can this cause for me in the future?

PS. I do agree with the notion of “minimize the data you give away”, which is one reason I’m here, but I really don’t have an answer for these questions. I’m like “I understand the point of privacy, but can’t explain the reasons”.