WASHINGTON (TND) — Dr.Jill Stein, who is a Green Party presidential candidate, has selected Professor Butch Ware as her vice-presidential running mate.

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    Trump or Harris will win.

    I have no doubt.

    The notion that a 3rd party vote dilutes is based in strategic voting

    Which I don’t practice nor believe in.

    Democracy thrives on having access to the polls

    And, in my opinion, access to more than 2 political parties.

    Some people believing women shouldn’t have control of their bodies, that they belong naked, standing in the kitchen without the right to vote, some people believing women should have autonomy and suffrage, some people believing women should have autonomy, but not the right to vote, and some people believing that a man should have 1 vote for him and all his dependents are a diverse selection of thoughts. But those thoughts and the people that hold them are not causing democracy to thrive.

    According to YOU. I mean, just accept that some people don’t believe the same way you do. And if there are more of them that vote for their candidate, than yours, then that’s how the American voting system goes.

    I personally disagree with their line of thought, but again, if there are more of them than me, and their candidate wins, then I just continue voting for who I think best alignes with my values.

    You have to understand, that they think the EXACT same way as you do. They think that YOU are wrong. Just because YOU believe in all of this, doesn’t invalidate the fact that they do not believe you.

    If democrats are that scared of Trump winning, then they should pic a candidate strong enough to over come his and any third party votes. Also maybe they shouldn’t have waited till last minute to make Biden step down.

    Having said that, Harris is going to win anyway, so I personally think you should relax. But it’s your right to feel however you want. Also, it’s other voters’ right to feel however they want.

    Vote for who you want.

    I will, thank you. And I respect and support your right to vote for who you want.

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      There’s a lot more to my post that you neglected to address, so I’ll just stick to your reply. I am writing this followup not in an attempt to convince you, but to seek clarity and understanding; unfortunately my rhetoric is often not perceived that way, though I do mean it earnestly.

      Trump or Harris will win.

      I have no doubt.

      Do you have a preference of the two? Are you okay with either of them winning?

      The notion that a 3rd party vote dilutes is based in strategic voting

      Which I don’t practice nor believe in.

      What do you mean by that? I practice voting strategically, it’s certainly a thing that exists. Are you saying you believe people in general shouldn’t or do you really mean you believe there is no such thing? Are you also positing that you still believe it is based in fear?

      According to YOU. I mean, just accept that some people don’t believe the same way you do. And if there are more of them that vote for their candidate, than yours, then that’s how the American voting system goes.

      What are you talking about? I listed a diverse selection of thoughts then stated truthfully that they were diverse. Is your fault found in my understanding that those thoughts are not causing democracy to thrive? People living under dictatorships, authoritarian regimes, and week democracies do not necessarily think in unison. People the world over have different thoughts and opinions even within their own communities and ruling structures. That doesn’t cause democracy to spontaneously arise or even thrive. The distinction between democracy and other ruling structures is the ability of the people to vote. If you want democracy to thrive then the people need to actually be able to vote, not just think differently.

      I fully understand that not everyone believes the same things I do, that has nothing to do with the ability for a 3rd party candidate to win.

      If democrats are that scared of Trump winning, then they should pic a candidate strong enough to over come his and any third party votes. Also maybe they shouldn’t have waited till last minute to make Biden step down.

      I fully 100% agree. I just also expect that people will vote in their best interests, but recognize they don’t necessarily, and I don’t understand why that is. Voting for a 3rd party candidate does nothing for you, while voting for a major party candidate possibly can do something for you. I am a gay leftist atheist. One of the major candidates doesn’t want me to be able to vote (or potentially live) the other one isn’t immediately dismissive of who I am and can be reasoned with. If I vote for the former I am contributing to active oppression against me. If I vote for the latter I am not. If I vote for someone (or no one) else I am complicit in whatever happens to me. I don’t know you. I’m sure there is some category that means a lot to you and that you see Dr. Stein recognizing, but she will not be able to act on that, whereas a major candidate will.

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        practice voting strategically, it’s certainly a thing that exists

        When I say I don’t believe in it, I mean I don’t believe in DOING it. Kind of like amish don’t belive in grounded electricity. Meaning, obviously the know it exists, but the choose not to use it.

        So no, I don’t believe in voting strategically. Maybe it’s something you want to do. I don’t. So I won’t.

        What are you talking about?

        I’m talking about the fact that people don’t necessarily believe in the same things you do. You do realize that half of the country votes for Trump because they actually LIKE him and his policies, right? They aren’t doing it, to just “show the libs.”

        As strange as it may seem to this Lemmy community, there are people who like Trump and what he stands for. I don’t. But that doesn’t make it any less valid that they do. I respect their rights to think that.

        People living under dictatorships, authoritarian regimes, and week democracies do not necessarily think in unison.

        And YOU believe that is what Trump will create. Many people DON’T think that. You do realize lots of people don’t think that Trump is (or wants) a dictatorship, right.

        YOU think that. Many in your social circle think that. But not everyone does.

        I personally don’t like Trump. I won’t be voting for him. But I do not think that a Trump win means we have “dictatorship.” I don’t. And you can spare your opinions and your examples. I respect your right to have your opinion, but I don’t agree. That’s it.

        Voting for a 3rd party candidate does nothing for you, while voting for a major party candidate possibly can do something for you.

        In YOUR opinion. But it does do something for me in MY opinion. I am proudly voting 3rd party. Accept it. Disagree with it, but accept it.

        I like Jill Stein, and I’m voting for her. We can move on.

        The world won’t end if Harris wins. The world won’t end if Trump wins. Nor will America. I promise.

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          And you can spare your opinions and your examples.

          Not interested in the truth or any sort of discussion. Only in spreading his narrative.