• jabjoe@feddit.uk
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    10 months ago

    It’s a two party system. You vote Biden or get Trump. Trump has less problem with ethnic cleansing. If fact Trump is the kind that might try it in the US.

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      He already has plans for it, and using the military to do it. He has made it clear he plans to go full fascist right from day one if he were to win again. It’s his only way to not spend the rest of his life in prison (and he loves the idea of being a dictator).

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        I think if he tries that, the US breaks down as there is no way everyone will go with it.

        Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and a win for the enemies of the wider free world.

        Edit: Add a few words for clarity.

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            Honestly, I’m willing to let it happen just for the smug invertebrate liberal bootlickers to finally experience what liberals have been doing to every hood I lived in for the last 30 years. Fuck 'em, settler-descent crackers are not my countrymen, especially not if they think they’re going to cudgel me into supporting a genocidal segregationist that already ripped my family apart more than once from '94 onwards.

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          I wasn’t planning on voting for trump, but when you put it that way…

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            OK ok, I’ve edited to be more explicit. Though I’m sure everyone knew the interpretation I meant…

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              Then let me be more explicit, too: Amerika tore my family apart across four hundred years of its history, continues to tear my family apart, refuses to cede my people actual liberation and freedom, and still demands our support like they’re not STILL interring us in prison chattel slavery or extrajudicially executing us in the streets.

              What the blue donkeyfuck makes you think I’m an ally of this shithole? What the blue donkeyfuck makes you think I’m going to exert ANY effort in perpetuating this monstrous, genocidal hell? Biden and Trump will do the same shit; so to me? The only way either of them can hang is with a rope.

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          That’s true but Biden winning accomplishes the same. No this isn’t a both sides argument, it’s understanding that many outside nations have invested in dividing our nation politically. The only win would be a 3rd party win and that won’t happen in my lifetime.

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            That is a both sides argument. Trump is a new level of bad. If you want to have any chance of a future with a better political system, you want to keep Trump out. If you don’t vote Biden, you can’t complain if you get Trump.

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              Trump is only a “new level of bad” to liberals that weren’t paying attention before.

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                See if you still feel like if he gets in and does things like taking measures to stay in longer than another single term, withdraw from NATO and the UN.

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                  withdraw from NATO and the UN

                  why do you keep making him sound cool? trump won’t do any of these things if he’s elected

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                    That’s really not cool. It’s basically says to Europe “your on your own with Russia”. And to Russia “Go ahead, we won’t fight you.” Which means Putin will go further than invading Ukrainian. Which mean the EU has to go to war to call his Bluff. You could be looking at WWIII. The US will get sucked in regardless of how isolationist it wants to be. Just like WWI and WWII. So not cool to go pushing over dominoes of the post WWII world order. Especially dumb as the US has benefited a lot from said order.

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            Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and the enemies of the wider free world.

            I can’t tell why, but the first three seconds of Harlem Shake keep playing in my head reading that quote. Couldn’t tell you why.

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      So Biden is allowed to do whatever he wants, we are obligated to vote for him, as long as he’s just a tiny bit less bad than trump would be?

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        Logically, yes, unless you come up with another option that realistically results in a better outcome. Nobody’s asking you to be happy about the shitty state of affairs.

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        10 months ago

        That’s why the system has to change. Trump will change the system, but not the way you want at all.

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      Ya, Independent, Green, Libertarian, Constitution.

      Those parties don’t exist.

      The genocidal fascist whose boots you’re licking told you so.

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        Well good luck with that. I hope you guys don’t vote in Trump again, for all our sake.

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          Well, good luck with that.

          I hope your rhetoric doesn’t perpetuate the cycle of America lesser eviling it to Ultra Mega Hitler as POTUS.

          Edit: To clarify, Trump is currently strangled by litigation diet coke button and removing a bike rack harmless loudmouth capable not Hitler with 60 percent of a country ready to fight him status.

          Biden however has made the Democrat base support genocide.

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        You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.

        Edit: spelling

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          You misunderstand.

          If my only choices are to vote for “genocide” and “more genocide”, why shouldn’t I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?

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              Well it’d have to be suitably public, but a suicide of a street vendor helped kick off the Arab Spring. Mohamed Bouazizi achieved a lot.

              Besides that, if every vote I cast is a vote for genocide, then don’t I deserve to die? Have you listened to the interviews? Have you seen the bodies in the rubble? I’d rather kill myself than support that, and if everything I do supports genocide then I should kill myself. I deserve it.

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                But you’re not voting for Genocide. Noone is giving you that option. Your vote or lack thereof has no effect on whether the US supports Israel’s Genocide of the PalestiniN people. If you want to oppose the genocide, join a march. Put up posters

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                  But you’re not voting for Genocide.

                  If according to you, the only choices between candidates are one genocider and another genocider, that makes us complicit if we vote for either one. Which we categorically refuse. Trying to cudgel out a vote for your guy will only make me want you genocided.

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                  You literally are voting for genocide. You are telling the US government “yes, more of this please”

                  You could withhold your vote to put pressure on Biden’s administration. You won’t do that. Biden sees every blue-no-matter-who voter as a guaranteed vote and a reason to not change his policies in any way. They’ve literally said as much! They have said they aren’t worried about elections because Republicans are worse. This is what you’ve created, you voted for it.

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                    Nah this is what voter apathy and “my way or nothing” gets you.

                    Fascists eagerly ready to vote and do-nothings who just complain online and do absolutely 0 work to get what they want.

                    Seems like you have a really well thought out solution though. Can’t see any holes in your logic there, don’t let me stop you.

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              So you’re saying in order to participate in the US electoral system you must make yourself responsible for some level of genocide? Contrary to lesser evil voters, you’re not responsible for other peoples votes, but you are responsible for yours. The fact that about 4 gerrymandered states determine the election is not my fault and doesn’t necessitate my participation in condoning any more genocide than I legally have to when I pay taxes.

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                In the broken systems we both have, all you can do is tactically vote based on the outcomes you want the least. While arguing for better voting systems.

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                And how does that translate into a two party voting system? One is multiple times worse than other. What can you do so neither ends up president? Nothing. You only choice is to choose the least bad.

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                  I referenced Tunisia because a man committing suicide literally changed their government.

                  If the only choice is “genocide lite” and “genocide deluxe” then the system must be destroyed.

                  If my only choice is to vote for genocide then I want to die.

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                    Those two presidential cadets are your only choices for president. Please do not kill yourself over it. I can’t see how it would even be noticed by the process, let alone change it. Be just another tragedy for another family.

                    Again, don’t kill yourself or even talk about it.

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        Be certainly be good of Republicans come back from the edge. If the players are more balanced, the system can start to be adjusted to get away from being just Red vs Blue.