Had to check the date on the article because this is not the first woman in scrubs on her way to work being yanked out of a car while telling ICE that she is a citizen.
We live in a dystopian hell and for some reason we keep acting like it’s all fine.
If she was American, she could afford real clothes instead of those cheap paper ones. Stands to reason.
When the ICE is dismantled, nobody with excellent salaries and benefits should hire those shitbags.
She is visible white and 👱 blond, a medical worker, speaks with no accent.
She was eventually let go.
The first one is why the second one happened.
These ICE agents deserve the worst possible sentence. Especially as they caused many forced disappearances, which are crimes against humanity.
Side note, why is she bringing her scrubs outside the hospital? Don’t you return them after your shift in America, to be washed and such?
No, US hospitals let nurses carry in bacteria and carry out bacteria into the community.
Do you mean why did ICE abduct her from work inside the hospital and drag her outside kicking & screaming without giving her a chance to change her clothes?
No.
But if that’s what happened, I have the answer to my question.
I’m also wondering why ICE abducted her period, not really specifically from where. 👍 But like I said, this was a side note.
No people own and wash their own scrubs. Healthcare is for shareholder profits in America.
I’m wearing scrubs at work right now which I’m solely responsible for keeping & washing at home regularly.
You have a noble profession, IMO. 🩵
sometimes; my mum doesn’t do that often, preferring to wash them at home. in her words, when asked why, she said: “the detergent the hospital uses smells like used clorox wipes left out in the sun and then freezed for 1 day”. how she knows what that smells like is beyond me…
It’s written on the detergent bottle.
huh…you’re probably right…
Depends on where you work. They provide them at my hospital, but I still wear a privately owned pair when traveling between home and work.
I hope she sues the fuck out of them.
She literally can’t, ICE agents are federal agents which means they have civil immunity from lawsuits that are a direct result of their duties. Unless they’re doing something that a reasonable person would understand to be a breach of the law. That said the federal courts seem to use Donald Trump’s circumstantial definition of a reasonable person and only his. So fat chance there’s a legal solution to this.
if she doesn’t get fucking deported first for no REASON
They let her go.
Nothing would happen. Just a waste of money. And if it came to it, they would just get pardoned.
There is no law in the USA. Trump is the law.
From an outsider looking in, it sounds like more reason to sue or to run to the media. Otherwise, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy
or to run to the media
Frustratingly, the US media is owned by a small concentration of wealthy people who are being further enriched by Trump’s bullshit.
Why the defeatist attitude?
Gestures around vaguely
I hope someone hunts down her assailants one by one, tortures them psychologically, makes them suffer physically and broadcasts it all as a warning to other fascist fuckwits before delivering upon them the fate all Nazis deserve.
:)
They won’t.
That’s why it’s hope.
Since when do we have to show our papers to the secret police?
Since you elected a Fascist dictator in 2024?
That’s the why, not the when. The when is as of Jan. 20th, 2025.
If you are white, around 11 months. If you’re not white… Well, haha… Funny thing that… Umm, let me uhh, ya…
Surely you can’t be serious.
I am, and don’t call me Shirley.
I really hope there’s an american nuremberg, and i hope they claim they were just following orders, because as with the original nazis, that’s been proven to not be a valid excuse. I hope these cunts go to prison for the rest of their lives.
I hope so too but I have no faith in the democrats or the current American justice system to make it happen. The only way I see it happening is revolution or war. Otherwise, the federal government will just go on acting like all of this was perfectly normal
You know how many Nazis were hung in the Nuremberg trials? Like 10. Everyone else was basically acquitted. You cannot rely on systems of power to punish transgressors.
Yeah, we don’t need trials we need a fucking purge of fascists. And purges always go so well…
You lovingly forgave the traitors of the civil war, you gave high research positions to nazis after world war II, the signs are not hopeful
It’s actually surprising how they happen to have two million prisoners. Clearly, some people are going to jail.
In other news the justice department commissioned an AI to automate sentencing of convicted felons but had second thoughts when it transpired the robot had become racist after being trained on the judicial records. True story.
Sadly most Nazis minus a few higher ups went without punishment. Many scientists even ended up working for the US as part of Operation Paperclip. Like the Civil War, the punishment NEVER fits the crime and these assholes mainly get off scot-free with no repercussions. Which always leads to a resurgence at some point.
My dad tells me a lot of nazis ended up peacefully moving to Newfoundland too
Nothing will happen to them. Nothing happened to the National guard who murdered and stabbed students in 1970.
Kent state, Blair Mountain, irradiating special needs kids, Greenwood District, forced sterilisation, MOVE…
I don’t expect anything will happen to them, but one can hope at least :/
These people will be protected and suffer no consequences, because the oligarchy in the US knows it will need more thugs who can operate with impunity. This is why Trump released the Jan 6th rioters. National guard literally murdered and stabbed students in multiple instances in 1970 and nothing happened to them. Most got promoted.
Unless the citizens start showing up to protests armed our corrupt politicians will do nothing as they’ve always done
Ahh. But that was for Germans. Just following orders is a valid excuse for Americans, as the war crimes trials during the vietnam spanking made clear.
All ICE agents should be treated with nothing but disdain and ridicule for the rest of their lives. We need a running list of their identities so they can be ostracized. Monuments should be built at Arlington so they can join Robert E. Lee in their shame. Make it a public urinal, right at the entrance.
Name and shame ice agents. Dean Cain.
Stupidman
They should all be hunted down
And locked in dingy cages to lay in their own piss and shit with no food. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
I think there’s a website/database for this already
This is getting weirder. Did they realize they were being shitty on camera?:
“I’m a U.S. citizen, please help me,” she shouted after agents forced her to the ground. “This is unfair. Why are you doing this to me?”
Agents then placed her in a patrol vehicle. She was released a short time later.
“She refused to cooperate and identify herself with all levels of law enforcement there,” said agency spokesman Alan Regalado, noting Monroe County Sheriff’s Office deputies were there. A Herald reporter saw deputies moving drivers along who were slowing down to watch the stop.
After agents removed the woman from her car, they found her driver’s license in the vehicle, ran it through their system and confirmed she is a U.S. citizen, Regalado said.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article313356223.html
Edit: So basically, she wouldn’t show them her gold star. WTF country are we fucking living in.
A racist one
Edit: no lie, my phone autocorrected Fascist to racist (I probably fucked the spelling). Accurate both ways
And fascist don’t forget that part!
It’s quite sad to watch the decline of America.
“decline” 🙄
Ya, speaking as an American, America really jumped the boat with Iraq and Afghanistan and the idea of American Exceptionalism. Like I get it, America is the best, but the minute you start seeing results that are not agreeable, change the method. No, these chuckle ducks said we are America and rammed thorugh terrible idea after terrible idea. 'Cause we the best. It’s this mindset that has everybody denying, America was already close to the bottom. Now it seems we trying to be the best at being the bottom. And seeing if that floor can go lower.
Why would they bother with the license if the ICE facial app scan said she was an immigrant? I thought it was absolute and infallible…
Too many eyes
Too many eyes
And not enough brains.
Jail. For all these ICE assholes and everyone above them.
Uhg. FTA:
“She is visible white and 👱 blond, a medical worker, speaks with no accent. This should be a warning sign for MAGAt as they could be preyed by ICE at any time!”
None of that is a reason to believe she’s not an undocumented immigrant. And being brown, curly-haired, not-a-medical-worker is not any reason to believe they’re an undocumented immigrant.
Is this objectionable behavior by ICE? absolutely. But not because of who the victim is. but because there IS a victim. everyone in this country is protected by the constitution, and afforded the rights of due process- which ICE is flagrantly violating the shit out of.
Can we please stop with the special classes of people like this?
Next the came for the white, blonde, citizens.
And people continued to do nothing.
You’re completely right. All this does is fuel more racism and elitism. Unfortunately it is the reality we currently live in. Many people who are MAGA absolutely believe blonde hair blue eyed white people are true Americans and are safe. Pointing out these facts tells them that they’re next and that all of this is wrong. Some people won’t realize their mistakes until it happens to them personally. A white woman with blonde hair hits home for many of them and could be a wakeup call.
Again I want to say that I DO NOT agree with bringing up this information. I do not believe it should be relevant at all. It is just unfortunate that this is the reality we are living in and I believe we do need to be the change we want to see by not bringing this information up ourselves.
It is important because of the reason they cite.
By going after this woman, they’re making it clear to MAGA folk that allowing the rights of minorities to be eroded also removes their own protection. Even racist assholes should be appalled at the civil rights violations being committed.
If MAGA people were able to understand the subtext of this event, they’d be smart enough not to be MAGA in the first place. You might as well try to explain to a dog why drinking antifreeze is bad.
They’ll just say “some innocents will be inconvenienced.” Remember they don’t understand until they are hurt personally.
And in making that argument, it signals to the racist assholes that the problem being that she’s white, blonde and professional, and therefore the rest are fair game.
which as you say, erodes everyone’s rights. But that’s not particularly important to me. the rights of all are worth protecting even if that weren’t true.
I think it is about opening the eyes of the racist ICE supporters that in fact they are not safe from what they have initiated. Even if they cannot make the jump to being decent human beings caring about all people, they usually care about what happens to themselves.
Yeah and as much as we all hate having to interact with these absolute chuds, the most successful ways of deprogramming people have been through empathetic outreach.
If these MAGA chuds experience the boot of fascism first hand, that might open them up to listening to people from other groups that have had to deal with this kind of treatment for much longer.
It’s a slow process, a metric fuck ton of emotional labour, and not everyone is willing to do that work, which is understandable given that you’ll be competing against the whole outrage media and “attention economy”.
But if enough of us are willing then through genuine human connection, which everyone but a very minute actual clinically psychopathic portion of the population is so desperate for, can get these chuds to open their eyes and grow a little more empathetic.
Maga folks have been brainless since 2015
They were also brainless as Tea Party folks since 2008.
Maga is just another way of saying conservative and they have been brainless way longer than that.
It makes a point of slapping people who truly believe, even now, that all the ICE activity thus far has been against illegals.
Illegal only. For real. They believe that.
A maga relative in landscaping was mystified as to why half his employees had either left or were leaving and weren’t coming back for the next season. In his words: they’re believing all the lies and hype being spewed by the media.
In his mind, even now, ICE is only doing their job: removing people here illegally. Because media can’t be believed and is filled not with lies but terrible twisting of the truth.
So putting a face on this, that looks like MAGA, is about all that’s left to try to get their attention.
And has your family started the “well she should have just complied” victim blaming?
Then on with the, “They let her go almost right away.”
“Papers please.”
Who knows. I’m more likely to hear the complaints in spring, about not being able to find good workers any more. My money is on that one.
Yes, yes, yes! But also, it’s particularly notable that she’s white and blond with no accent because they claim to their supporters to be protecting those specific people from “illegals.” Pointing out that they’re not only doing something awful but also defying their own stated principles is always a good thing to do.
Whoever wrote that doesn’t realize Canadians can also be immigrants.
No, they are appealing to MAGA folks that are picturing getting rid of all the dark skinned people they don’t like.
The people that consider that nuance have already been against the ICE crap, you don’t have to convince those. The only people that can be convinced are those that you need to get their racism aside before they’ll join you. It’s distasteful, but it’s a way to grow the voices condemning this behavior.
I’m surprised Trump has tried to encourage more Aryan immigration. Quebec did this to counter the Muslim immigrant “problem”.
Some of the only people they’re letting in right now are white South Africana
They’re Pointing out to the racists that they shouldn’t be cheering this on, because not even they are safe from this fascist shit. Because you know maga assumes they’re safe because of how they look and talk.
We all know what that’s code for. I have never been to the US in my life, and yet as a white European I’d be accosted much less than tens of millions of US citizens.
Pretending special classes of people don’t exist is just stupidity.
They definitely do exist.
and they exist, in large part, because articles like this normalize it.
congratulations in defending part of the problem.
Hard disagree, those types of stereotypes are established in youth long before the kids start reading articles.
they exist, in large part, because articles like this normalize it
This complaint is missing the forest for trees.
Special classes of people have existed for as long as civilization has exited. Leaders and followers, kings and peasants, the wealthy and the poor, etc. As animals, it’s in the nature of some of us to desire a greater share of resources and luxury at the cost of depriving others from having the same.
An article repeating the notion of people with specific skin tones are part of a privileged class isn’t the problem, it’s just a symptom of the problem. The problem is the bigots who put that into practice, singling out and causing problems for people with specific tones while providing benefits to those with other specific tones. Getting rid of public acknowledgement about class disparity isn’t going to get rid of class disparity, it’s just going to get rid of discussion about class disparity. The racists will still be there, being racist.
Getting rid of public acknowledgement about class disparity isn’t going to get rid of class disparity,
that article isn’t recognizing class disparity, though. it’s perpetuating and normalizing it. and yes, the people that are bigots are absolutely also part of the problem. the media is complicit in that, though, including that article.
Only a truly sick society would allow this
A society steeped in misinformation and propaganda ultimately embraces fascism
Sick from poison, no doubt, but sick nonetheless. I hope there’s a cure that opens their eyes some day, but it won’t come from a TV screen.
The cure to misinformation and propaganda is critical thinking and the scientific method
We have the tools. We need the talent.
Exercise doesn’t cure poison. Using individual tools like critical thinking can help you avoid internalizing the misinformation and propaganda, but it sure doesn’t inoculate you from it. We need to cut it out at its source and find ways to ensure it doesn’t get replatformed. Otherwise the toxin is there, just waiting for a day when you’re not on alert, slowly poisoning your mind.
There are always going to be people whose honest assessment is just wrong, or very probably wrong. Or its one of those black swan moments and the crazy person is right.
There’s no getting rid of uncertainty. Science helps us quantify that and work with it.
It really isn’t, fascists love using “science” and “rationality” to “prove” their ideologies. You can argue that they’re not doing real science, but their followers will believe it.
The cure to fascism is anarchism. That is the only effective way to prevent it.
Last time this happened, the country affected needed electro shock therapy to help them snap out of their delusions.
It’s been sick for as long as I’ve been alive… Americans often just don’t know it.
It’s been allowed under the laws for a long time, it’s just like everything else been a polite agreement not to do things like that. The constitution isn’t really suited for actors in bad faith in all parts of the government.
But it’s not, simply put if you are not committing a crime you are not required to ID.
Border control is allowed to ask you if you are a US citizen and they have expanded authority at established checkpoints. ICE can only ask you are a citizen. They can request ID, but you have the right to refuse.
Now if they can give probable cause that you are breaking a law then you can be detained and compelled to ID. The current legal standing is that race cannot be used to establish probable cause. Now of course the Supreme Court can over turn that anytime.
But all of this to say this has been the law for decades. ICE and local police departments struggle to understand that you do not have to ID when asked except under specific circumstances. Several departments have escalated to arrests that ultimately get thrown out. You can do a search online and find dozens of examples of cities having to pay a lot of money in settlements over false arrests.
But if you are driving a vehicle you are obliged to produce a driver’s license in every state. You can’t be pulled over just to have your license checked though, there has to be other cause for the stop.
Know your rights and fight for them before they are taken
The current legal standing is that race cannot be used to establish probable cause. Now of course the Supreme Court can over turn that anytime.
Which they did on September 8th.
Source? I’m not doubting you it’s just been a hard year to keep up with everything
Of course it’s a bit more nuanced but there you go.
