“Oh yeah, already did man! And not to toot my own horn (again) but I gotta say…”

Most of them have part time jobs by that point… have quit their clubs to make time for cram school, and need to provide choices for not only their followup education but their desired trade. So they’re isolated during a time of extreme stress… and are exhausted.

Oh and their population is cratering and the economy is headed for hyperinflation… which means more work for ‘less’ pay in a country that has people literally die of overwork.

Honestly? It’s astounding how much those kids can absorb and keep on going.

Based on the general reception to your comments it would appear you need to work on your delivery, eh?

There’s a time and a place for it. This isn’t it. Further: are you really going to try walking the failing argument back as an attempt to shitpost? My guy, the hole is deep enough already.

Lashing out like you are is unbecoming and honestly is a bad look. If you can’t handle criticism I suggest you stop injecting yourself into topics you are ill equipped to discuss.

I believe I made a position clear to you elsewhere. While reading through the thread I couldn’t help but be amused at your statement here clearly complaining about something you yourself are doing - and advocating for.

Thus: pot meet kettle.

You are welcome to group me with whomever you like. It doesn’t change the statement.

…but it really cracks me up when people get up in arms about this subject they barely understand and arrive at…

Pot: meet kettle.

Show me a study that shows any human or animal benefits in anyway from drinking bleach.

There are plenty of papers out there which have supported incorrect and dangerous claims. I trust you are capable of getting the parallel I was drawing without derailing the conversation.

However, there does exist a spectrum of studies both supporting and attacking…

Yes this is how scientific academia works. It is also constantly flooded with bad science and bad faith research from focus groups pushing agendas. Let’s perhaps allow research to fully mature before committing to forcing your life choice on another organism, yeah?

From my understanding there was a nuanced discussion including risks and acknowledging that whole food diets are impossible for cats.

Nuanced discussion is most certainly not what that thread, nor this one are littered with.

Either people are reacting with emotion far more than I expected, or people are confusing whole food plant based with “no meat products in it”, which of course are two entirely different sets of food.

Nobody is telling a vegan they cannot adhere their diet to their choice. The reason people are reacting is because vegans are pushing their life choice onto an animal they willingly adopted knowing it’s dietary needs: simply because it makes them feel better. That is assanine and absolutely should be concerning to anyone.

Why are you so quick to move people into the bad vegan category?

Considering your borderline unhinged responses throughout this thread… I think that should be self answering.

Sounds like a lot of people are just using this to confirm their belief that vegans are crazy…

See above.

…and they should continue eating meat without a care.

Nobody takes issue with vegetarians, paleo, or any of the innumerable other dietary choices… why do you suppose that is?

Why are you suggesting that people who choose to have a different diet than your preference need to change at all? I personally could care less what you choose to eat- that’s your choice… however:

I think I get it. If its possible a cat could be healthy and vegan, then humans have no excuse left do they.

When you are responsible for a dependant, be that a child or a pet, it is your responsibility to care for them properly. If you think you should beat a child: someone should stop you.

Onus probandi.. We have 100s of years of evidence that cats and their kin eat meat and will become ill and die without it. The fact that a “strictly vegan” diet needs to resort to synthetics to arrive at “maybe good enough” because those nutrients are not available from your diets sources says enough. Many other vegans have made much more reasonable statements throughout this thread that don’t rely on emerging research to support their decision to force their life choice on other animals.

Self preservation at its finest.

Exactly what are we preserving here… or are you just adding a quip that you think will elevate your stance?

Conversely the community could be feeding incorrect information to the entire main feed.

If your community is unable to handle something as basic as a dissenting opinion - through civil discussion - there is a problem with your community. There are innumerable diets out there: ask yourself why you don’t see their lifestyle coming under fire. You can’t pick fights and then cry foul because you are the minority.

Are vegans all awful people? No. Of course not. But there are a significant number who elevate their lifestyle to a religious status and feel compelled to preach and inflict it on others. THAT is unacceptable.

Drinking bleach to kill a disease is technically alternative information. It’s even backed indirectly by science: bleach kills bacteria. The difference here is the information is harmful, incorrect, and being presented as science backed.

Simply put- just because an echo chamber wants to drink the Kool aid - doesn’t mean we should allow them to share it with unwitting passerbys.

Not everyone is going to do the due diligence and assume that the group is wrong: so it is potentially damaging to allow that misinformation to be spread. Multiple examples exist of why moderation is needed.

Freedom of speech is not absolute. If it limits others freedom, it must be checked. If it can harm others, it must be checked.

Good.

Lithium ion is pure shit in extreme temps… and of course an added load of ordinance and armor… this thing will have less reliability and range than a kids power wheels.

Yes but how will it handle rain?

Found the apps target audience. Assuming that wasn’t satirical.

Yeah, it’s more a commentary on the whole current ‘country’ lifestyle. Texan? Buy all the things with a single star on it or you aren’t Texas enough. Southern? Get that truck. Gotta lift it. Biggest tires you can find. It’s all just the most degenerate capitalism with a dixie wrapper on it.

The majority of the southern states identity (not that part) has long since been reduced to a caricature of itself.

All being a southerner requires now is access to your divine guide: whatever the most recent pop country album is. It’s just advertisement set to country tunes.

If anything I’d say the least free group in America is your typical ‘country boy.’

…until morale improves? Dually noted lol.