yeah headline should have been “told ya so”

disappointed is an interesting choice of words. But I guess not having a roving hellscape is kind of boring.

I always think it’s interesting when I read these stories. No matter how bad it gets. No matter how many red flags are raised no one is going to do a single thing. Our governments are completely failing us by doing nothing useful.

This is sort of an interesting article. It seems like ( unlike what I thought ) the Supreme court might not have much it could even do to overturn the situation: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawyer-explains-supreme-courts-only-wiggle-room-in-trump-colorado-case/ar-AA1m1hit

I think they mean ten

I wouldn’t know if it was on reddit. I don’t think it belongs to them anyway.

Yes and I will add to this… Just degoogle your phone and slowly stop using Google services. Even this is not a perfect solution but its better than doing nothing.

OMG Yes this is awesome!

somehow every kind of bank, business, and rich person can get tax breaks, and bail outs yet average middle class people can’t get some help on their student loans.

I am pretty sure we either agree in full or mostly agree with each other.

But what if there is a significant number of people who are just awful humans, or don’t have a thought for learning, or are not being open or honest etc.

Yeah I agree at this point if people are being systematically terrible then they should get banned or if there is a whole instance of them that instance should be defederated. I say systematically because maybe someone just brought up a hot button issue or maybe they just had a bad day. Like if it’s 90% posts are normal and then just now and then they have a rage post I don’t think that makes them a terrible person. If for example out of a whole instance there is one or two slightly problematic communities but as a whole that instance is fine then it probably shouldn’t be defederated.

I support the idea of engagement and discussion but let’s be honest there are people who aren’t interested in that. There are people who are racist. There are people who really do think you and I are going to hell and they are happy to know that. Sorry there is a reason I don’t associate with people like that in real life and I don’t want to on line either.

Right I get that but I think we already have a fix for that. We can already block people and block communities we don’t like so we don’t need to associate with people we don’t like if we don’t want to. However we also don’t need to shut down their voice entirely if they are doing nothing else then posting horrible memes now and then. However that might not always be true some instance might want to focus on a certain type of advocacy like Open Source and so a meme community for racists might just make no sense for a instance like that.

It is not my mission to discuss this kind of thing with all those people. Trolls and awful humans sometimes do need to be ignored. Otherwise we cannot have interesting or productive conversations with anyone.

Yeah I think that makes total sense there is no need for anyone to do anything they don’t want to do in their free time. I do just wonder for the people who are not terrible but maybe just fallen into an ideology or have been radicalized. Would banning them and pushing them into a corner of the internet with only other radicalized people make them ever figure out they are wrong? How are they going to realize that they are wrong unless they are allowed to participate in a wider discourse where someone can challenge them on their beliefs? Does banning and defederating actually the problem in the case of people we just disagree with or does it make the divides worse and more entrenched?

thanks for the suggestion the post has been updated.

oh yeah. hmm weird.

It’s in the browser so I imagine it would be with the github you linked to

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I agree with you. However there should be recourse if the wider community on an instance agrees that there is a bad actor or community that needs to be banned. I’m fairly certain if we did a poll that the community would be banned.

Yeah just FYI if sh.itjust.works turns in to this kind of thing I will definitely move to a different instance

I think that is a mistake. Plenty of nice folks on this instance people shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Also this discourse on that thread is really problematic. The idea of defederating a whole instance over 1 community is terrible. I would understand. If most of that instance was a troll den that is definitely not the case with this instance

lol I like how “back in the day” was two weeks ago LMAO

So yeah I just want to show what I am talking about something is completely weird. So if you are on a sh.itjust.works instance and view a community outside this one you see this :

Now here is the same block not logged into an instance:

See the stats are completely different. This is maddeningly confusing. They need to fix the stats overall. I am not sure that any place collecting stats could be right at this point.

That’s interesting 🤔 I wonder if something about the federated nature makes active users difficult to count accurately. I wouldn’t say that Lemmy is a ghost town but there isn’t as much participation as their could be. I’m not even sure how the stats define active to be honest. So there is a lot of unknowns about how that calculation is done.