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When the barrier to entry is technical in nature you get a selection of the competent in that space as your representation. It’s not perfect, but it beats zuck, musk and Huffman.
Attempting solidarity pragmatically.
I don’t believe in imaginary property.
When the barrier to entry is technical in nature you get a selection of the competent in that space as your representation. It’s not perfect, but it beats zuck, musk and Huffman.
It’s a well founded worry.
Activitypub represents the lowest dev entry costs and as a bonus it comes with an audience. If Facebook is standing up a cheap competitor just to take advantage the barrier to entry is miniscule.
Given the trouble some users have noted deleting content (erasing also kills your Instagram account), it might also be a play to deprecate a duplicate platform under their control.
Understandable, and yet if nobody contributes upvotes out of the same concern you end up with nothing standing out in your feed to come comment on. Kind of circular.
On the other hand having an upvote actually attached to your (and I actually mean your handle here) name would likely give it credibility in a weird sense. There’s much less incentive to blindly upvote if it essentially shows what you saw like a slug trail, but if you’re selectively giving oxygen to the best of what you see then that trail is valuable to others who value you. It’s a functional change from competing to push things for their own sake.
Im old! I come from an era where there was no such thing as OPSEC as soon as you interact with another party you cant personally name. For every consumer that was the phone company, or literally right out the door. If you transmit (login credentials, personal info, search queries) the expectation is somewhere, someone or something is logging it. Not even maliciously all the time either, sometimes I got to some of this out of boredom. The corporate Internet just kind of acts like a middle man, because that same problem never went away, just siloed into companies.
Until we get to a future like Transmetropolitan where the expectation is your online presence has some dirty laundry (and hopefully leave out the other stuff), all the bits/bytes, not just upvotes, you transmit should have a limited expectation of privacy. This is just the best/latest reminder because every hack is the same problem, only the company has incentive to keep it quiet so it doesn’t hit their bottom line.
This is super interesting to me.
I think you’re right in that the user base has the same expectations despite a huge change in the model. But it’s going to be the same on any server, your circle of trust now has to include your instance owner everywhere on the fediverse.
In general there’s no expectation you can delete every email you ever sent either, just your local copies. Most of what you see here is similar with some new attached protocols (votes, markdown etc)
I’m sure we’ll see some evolution, but the entire infrastructure is a call back to when a single service wasn’t directly linked to a single business, and it shouldn’t be treated like one.
In other words I’m not sure the concession isn’t the price you pay to not have reddit/twitter in charge. Because any other architecture that had the convenience of having a single point to delete from is also going to be a single point of failure.
Fully expected to be buried since I’m late to the party.
That’s really only half of it, there is no real erasure possible when everyone’s holding a cached copy. Personally… I kind of like it, I don’t hold any value to the words I contribute here as long as they’re for everyone.
But everything and everyone is living in concentric glass houses here.
I think long term someone will come up with something. How hostile the community they arrive to?
Entirely up to how well we remember how it went the last time.
Oh good, I was wondering when I could expect ‘normal’ behavior.
Honestly I wonder if the Lemmy client writers are going to be a strictly patronage model. The wefwef.app team has done a crazy good job illustrating what the free minimum is.
The most wonderful part of this, for the unfortunately uncoordinated like me:
scrolling and accidently clicking a random card is now always a random post and not an ad launching a browser window I immediately close and curse.
It’s amazing how bad it got for awhile out there.
The idea is to remove profit motive, and distribute the actual costs to the users or admins.
Same way as any enthusiast could have run their own BBS back in the day. The perk now is they’re linked together.
I would be shocked if it stays like that forever everywhere, but since the early days there’s generally been some way to eat the cost.
I think this is just the leading edge unless folks are lining up to replace moderators in most communities.
Systems tend to fail slowly, and then all at once.
Most fediverse denizens have noticed how sane and measured the dialogue is, which is entirely a product of the audience who is here right now. But everyone’s got a threshold, whether Reddit loses everyone or not isn’t relevant if they couldn’t be profitable with all of us. There’s a death spiral coming, and if there’s anything left Reddit will have to functionally change.
Easiest to think of Reddit as a party grinding on too long and starting to get rowdier, and the bouncers just quit.
So I didn’t make an account here for precisely this reason, I’m not really at risk of being targeted or triggered, so at the ‘edge’ of your community I can at least try to knock down some of the BS.
I have a feeling this is where the ‘eternal vigilance’ is going to be needed.
The trolls are gonna troll.
Just keeping them out of your discussions may reduce the noise, but it doesn’t stop them from conglomerating on the platform. Pointing out where they come to play feels like the only way to separate the good actors from bad at an instance level so they don’t wander in.
Long term science.
Nobody’s taped someone to a table and shot em with those rays. And there has never been more of them going around, so there’s no comparison either.
When we say something is a cure or cause it’s born out of a ton of testing and time.
Alright, more of a eli5 as I’m more folk knowledge than a scientist.
It’s a narrower (more dense) wavelength.
If you think of signal, any signal, how close you are to it, the total power of that signal and the quality of your receiving gear are going to be your three major factors in “speed”.
5g gains the ability to broadcast more waves iif you’re close, at the expense of distance.
If you’re looking to send communications further; wider (lower density) waves face less resistance. Just the same way you can seemingly get AM radio (bouncing off our atmosphere) anywhere vs FM radio (line of sight), each has a function.
You can find rural houses like mine, or the futures trades riding from the burbs to downtown with microwave (narrower than 5g) connections. They’re pretty atmosphere resistant but require tuning to hit relays the size of about a soda can.
I don’t think the longitudinal studies have been done on what frequencies over long periods of time produce negative results, the areas of spectrum we are working with have no real analogues in scope I’m aware of. Which is exactly why there’s room to scaremonger over it.
Anecdotally I’ve worked a decade in an adjacent field and never heard of anyone contacting the plague.
The slow movement feels like a feature in that I can see the trickle of communities get created, the new/all feed used to be such a dumpster fire.
I’m cynical as ever, but I think it’s a cash out.
There’s not a better incentive to build a better product when they ran most of the independent boards into the ground, leaving them at a relative high.
I don’t think there’s a universe they can compete with free when interest is going up. All the reversals and user hostile policies are going to drive people away, how quickly that bothers Hoffman, the board and ohanian is probably just a matter to how quickly they can unload through the IPO.
In the days before Reddit ‘won’ you used to be able to find tons of niche sites/boards cultivating smaller audiences. Beer advocate/rate beer, headfi and whatever the latest splinter was there in the audiophile community both come to mind. There’s generally more division by which each might find more ‘aligned’ or maybe their friends are on one first.
I don’t know if it’s possible to predict, social dynamics are weird and this is going to be new for a giant segment of the audience.
I love this scene.
If anything my point was mostly self indicting. To anyone with a firm ideology I probably represent part of the problem.
It’s just a pithy truism, the reason is hopefully the higher rate of concern.
I mean from what I’ve seen the less abrasive frame would be ‘find a space for constructive discussion for the marginalized.’ I’m not really their audience, but I have eyes, they take an abnormal amount of shit in their day to day life.
I don’t think there’s a shortage of places in that universe to speak your mind, and I wouldn’t try to set someone else’s house rules.
Nothing more typically lefty than a good infight. Seen plenty of that to go around.
Honestly while the entire architecture is in it’s infancy we’d do well to remember being here to have a voice (or at least a front row seat) is a feature not a bug.
Better now than when the corporations get to the fediverse.
It’s a very interesting thought, but it will always struggle to account for variables you can’t see.
It’s always going to be designed top down to approximate your own development as human from the ground up. I don’t douby AI as a feasible possibility, but I don’t think we’re headed for digital clones. They’re always going to have some amount of the creators ghost or assumptions in the machine.