Jfc just what ever. Like usual playing games with commitments already made. So sick of this every time.

Whelp, there goes that hope. Back to being angry.

Ah thank you! It struck me that something abhorrent that trump has done could be referred to some other event with another politician, and yet not be widely known. I had to look it up. Though with trump being a sewage house spewing events like this out on the regular, no individual event will get the scorn it deserves. You may be on to something about the white washing thing though. Like i said, chat gpt isn’t even as forceful in denouncing flat earth. Not sure what’s up with that. His wiki also is missing any mention, and doesn’t even have a controversy section most politicians have.

Incorrect. I don’t know Paul Wellstone. But the poster brought up that trump had a Paul Wellstone event. So i wanted to know what happened. Instead of attempting to fabricate meaning that isn’t there, how about not flying off the handle. I am defensive because to an earnest question i was instantly down voted. I even brought up an event that was close to what was talked about and asked if there was another he was talking about.

Yep, no doubt. I have used chat gpt extensibly and have found it hallucinating on my own questions. It was not the case when it referred to the 2002 event, but i know it does that. It is a tool like google. And google puts pseudoscience and conspiracy theories at the top of the list sometimes too when trying to fact find. You have to know the limitations of what it is capable of. Case in point, when i asked about this event, i didn’t assume gpt answer was correct, google gave links exclusively to coverage of the the 2002 event, completely ignoring the Vietnam portion of my query. And i still returned to ask the poster for more info to get context. I don’t know what more people could have wanted from me.

Ok, one: chill the fuck out

Two: when google did not return anything useful, for WHATEVER REASON, i didn’t come back and assume the event didn’t happen, i asked for MORE info, like a good little netizen.

Three: the event chat gpt referenced was NOT a hallucination: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/10/paul-wellstone-s-memorial-service-turns-into-a-pep-rally.html Surprise! When i looked up Paul Wellstone and filming at a memorial , this is the event i found for the first page.

Four: me bringing up chat gpt was due to just how uncharacteristic it shut down my query. So i did my due diligence. Chill out.

You can retrieve sources from chat gpt. And that is besides the point that i didn’t simply rely on gpt. Even without prompting, i did my own digging on google, found his wiki page looked up articles about Paul and filming at a memorial and only found the incident from 2002. Thats two more paths to sources that failed me.

Chat gpt is a tool that is useful if used right, but even i did not take its word for it.

I think that the issue was how i was asking for context on Paul Wellstone using the Vietnam memorial. Here was the response i initially received:

“Wellstone did not attempt to film or hold a political event at the Vietnam War Memorial. The controversy you’re thinking of might be related to the backlash following his 2002 memorial service, where the event was criticized by some for taking on a political tone.

Wellstone himself was known for his deep respect for veterans and did not engage in actions like filming political content at war memorials. The Vietnam War Memorial is a solemn site, and there hasn’t been any documented attempt by Wellstone to use it for political purposes.

If there’s something specific you’d like to discuss or clarify about this, please let me know!”

As you can see it shut down the thought in a manner gpt does not do lightly. So i googled, and found his wikipedia page, and a lite skim painted him as uncontroversial. And i got a lot of google hits on the 2002 plane crash memorial being co-opted for political gains. So i returned here for more context.

I mean i was on reddit before the api thing, so ehh. Maybe i interpreted it harsher then it was meant.

Chat gpt said things you can evaluate, which i did by googling it. And when i could not find the event in question, i went back into Lemmy and asked for more information. So tell me where i err’d? Was it not taking the posters word on it? Or trying to get context in the first place?

“Wellstone also staged a news conference in front of the Vietnam War Memorial on the National Mall, drawing the ire of many veteran groups. Wellstone later said the event was a mistake.”

Fair enough, though editing the comment made it difficult to realize you did provide what i asked for. I never called any one a lier. Just that when i went to chat gpt for context to what the other said it flat out told me it didn’t happen, which is uncharacteristic of chat gpt sycophantic tendencies. Usually talking a passive voice, or assuming i am making up a scenario and rolling with it. So i did google it and found that he was not considered controversial, and if the wiki mentioned it, it was only as a foot note.

Everything i looked up pointed to the 2002 incident. Not sure why i am being dog piled here.

Either way it seems odd to reference this as a Paul Wellstone ‘event’

The same reason people use google to look something up instead of going to the library

This frames the situation like they equally oppose a cease fire? I got the impression that hamas agreed to conditions of a cease fire, and isreal altered the deal to continue bombing palestine, though.

Sure? But i am merely invoking the spirit of the law, and not the letter… which is that filming there puts words in the mouth of venerated dead.

That’s what i did. I looked it up and did not find what i was looking for. Closest thing i found was the event in 2002 which was eerily close to the event you mentioned, but i could not find what you said. So i asked you for more information. Jees! You snapped back at me like a stack overflow user.

I mean, if you want permission to film in the cemetery, you gonna need a necromancer

I am trying to find this event. Its the first time chat gpt outright called me a liar. I see his memorial service which was for all those who died in a plane crash in 2002 was used by Walter Mondale to use Paul’s death as a spring board for his election bid… was there some other event you are referring to?

Its the most ok’est coder with the attention span of a 5 year old.

They kinda already do that. Remember when police destroyed a house that a shoplifter ran to, and made the innocent family pay for it?

Even fucking now. Jfc, thank goodness his age caught up to him. And i hope Harris has some sense