Family having like 13 kids, only 5 maybe making it to teen age, daughter dies in childbirth, 4 kids to 50 type beat.

Population graph after penicillin is very telling

Calls bullshit, facilitates worse bullshit. Classic. I guess I imagined all the hard WORK it took to maintain a home. Remember, if you’re not being paid for it, it doesn’t count as labor. Fucking hell

Like all jokes, shitposts are only funny with a touch of reality

The joke literally breaks suspension of disbelief because it’s so ridiculous.

Not to mention the convenience that is idk… A fucking dishwasher or laundry machines, or heatable ovens to the exact degree of temperature you want, microwaves, literally any device created to enhance the average citizens time spent NOT doing the egregiously long work needed to maintain a home that these hypothetical peasants did. People just braindead tbh when they see shit like this and just nod along like it’s so wise.

Yeah this is more folk, like Fleetwood Mac or others. What would be called stadium country is pure trash, but god damn that folk music…

Sure, but your proposed idea was to allow (in my perception of your explanation) literal shut ins who don’t provide ANYTHING be it entertainment, production, service, education etc, and just sit inside collecting a check while gaming or binging shows all day. That’s not useful to anyone least of all themselves from a health perspective, and becomes a cancerous drain in multiple ways. THAT disgusts me. I have no issue with giving it to someone like my friend who only works weekends taking care of mentally challenged kids for a center. He has awful back issues and the levels of labor that he can meet are very restricted. But he still offers something to the world, in the manner he can. That’s respectable and should be incentivized.

Right…

Not once did I say this wasn’t true. My point is we shouldn’t incentivize people to become wastes of resources and collective action if they are capable of contributing.

I don’t disagree on exploitation, my point is your rhetoric has lost the plot.

You physically cannot automate everything. Human input is always needed somewhere. There isn’t enough resources on the planet to just wish problems away, everything atrophies, everything needs doing to get. Just because we don’t work as hard as we did, doesn’t mean we don’t still have to work. There are necessary labor inputs to upkeep what we have achieved, and anyone who benefits and is capable should help ensure that everyone else can enjoy the same benefits going forward.

Wise men plant the seeds of a tree whose shade they will never know. Anyone not disabled, a child, or dead should contribute.

That’s… Not how anything works. I’m sure Bezos is far more in debt than you are and yet his spending capability dwarfs you.

Do you not understand the concept that we don’t just pay our debt back immediately. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/

You must never have worked in logistics. There are so many jobs that automation cannot do at this moment and won’t for a very long time.

The world literally is work or die. God I would love to see any of you people try to exist before modern amenities allowed you freedom. You are morally obligated to assist in keeping this going

Family, myself, and the collective good that has allowed some like my friends with diabetes who would be dead without the efforts made by all to allow those who would have died otherwise a fair chance. Anyone capable of work has a moral obligation to assist in upkeep of a better society. The government doesn’t fear people sitting on their ass, they fear the ones willing to die before giving up their rights. It’s literally how history speaks of every successful government rebellion.

You benefit from the resource and labor collectivized to ensure you don’t have to eat rotten food every night, sleep outside and die of exposure, or die in a bloody war against your will. It is a miracle you’re even allowed to live considering how rough all of human history has been, and to ensure that keeps going while you benefit from it, you agree to assist in maintenance.

You should be happy serving your community and benefiting society. Live for something greater than yourself.

I have friends that are, and I’m not opposed, I just enjoy what I do now

Current populist rhetoric using half truths is all this is. Yes there are reasons to be upset at our current situation, but the easy out of “muh billionaires” is so lackadaisical and falsified as a straw man for the stock market, politicians, and evil people who are actually an issue.

Lazy people are exactly the reason why shit is so bad as is. Look at any period of history pre-80s and you’ll find a group of unified citizens actually doing something about their issue and making the government fear them using the necessary violence (the only language these fuckers understand as it removes their control through ‘civility’). Now you say you want to give rise to a new class that happily takes their state mandated paycheck and then sits on their ass to not question why things aren’t getting any better. Yeah no, it fucking disgusts me, this philosophy.

Far from it but it’s your fantasy land, my dude. Antisocial freaks who don’t conceptualize the amount we need logistics and services can seethe on cope all day ig.

Unfortunate, but they exist everywhere. Almost every company I know out here in STL pays starting 20 for even unskilled positions. I went first responder though and the Illinois side of STL has a premium rate on that anyway. Highest average of the whole state and desperate for hires.

I find office work mind numbing, disgusting in culture, and generally unsatisfying at the end of the day both philosophically and, as a powerlifter, physically.