I definitely think it’s possible he could be either. The bit about guns is mainly because guns is one of their things. Some Republicans love guns more than anything.

Either way, I’m mostly impressed at how quickly those facts became the most important bits of information. I guess it makes sense though. I’m just glad he’s white and not brown. lol

Fair enough, I guess I didn’t account for the pandemic’s impact on stock ownership. I should’ve said almost most Americans don’t own stocks. I mean, your own sources show it was just about half of Americans for a while until recently.

Also, I hate considering 401ks as part of that since it’s not like people have a choice there. it’s just a cop out to sell out the nation to corporations via tax cuts and reduced regulations. My main premise is moreso that the economy is great if you’re a corporation or have a good job/are ready to retire

Source?

What does “the economy” mean again? Is that just referencing the stock market which most Americans don’t care about because they don’t own stocks or have 401ks?

I mean, has anyone seen the prices of shit lately? It’s pretty fuckin insane. I can’t even imagine how most people make it work with kids and whatnot. Then again, all my working class friends that don’t have 401ks don’t actually vote anyway so maybe they just know their audience

I don’t think you’re allowed to badmouth Biden like that 'round these parts

“You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists”

(I’m quoting Bush here for extra comedic/ironic effect)

Seriously! And why are all these clouds so big and gray?!

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Fair enough. I agree that that if it’s in her/biden’s name maybe normal campaign financing laws apply. That wasn’t what I was hearing, but I won’t pretend I looked into it in more detail.

That said, there are tons of ways to donate money from one party to another without breaking any laws - that’s kind of the whole problem we have. There’s no reason to think Harris keeps that money for her own campaign if we were in the scenario where we’re running a third person that isn’t either of them. It certainly isn’t a reason to end the discussion for getting us at least a fighting chance.

I understand how scary this is and how foreign the situation we’re in feels, but I don’t think the answer is necessarily to look for the safest option (especially if that means an old man with blatant dementia).

In a perfect world, we’d fill the streets and force them to put that money in a transparent account and use it to fund a candidate people actually support (one that support public financing of campaigns and all the end unnecessary spending and legalized bribery)

My bad, I typed up a whole response to you but apparently never sent it and now it’s gone. Here’s a brief reply

My criticism was about the claim that only Harris could use the campaign money. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t support the DNC’s candidate. Besides that, there are tons PACs that can use the money they’ve received from donors for basically whatever they want.

Ouch. I typed up a whole reply to them but apparently never sent it and now it’s gone. Sigh. Oh well. I’ll reply to them next

My criticism was about their claim that only Harris could use the campaign money. It’s ridiculous to think that they wouldn’t support the DNC’s candidate. Besides that, there are tons PACs that can use the money they’ve received from donors for basically whatever they want.

The reply was maybe a bit harsh, in hindsight, but I keep seeing that parroted around like it’s undoubtedly true. It’s clearly just being repeated and not said with any significant critical thought. I mean, if we had a brokered convention it would be all hands on deck at the DNC.

I’ve read that explanation many times from many people, at this point. I’m honestly not yet compassionate enough to forgive y’all for what I believe to be willfull ignorance (no offense, srsly). That said, I totally respect your opinions and actions as a free fellow citizen.

My only question is, didn’t you care that she was obviously going to lose? Did really not that matter to you? (These are rhetorical, I guess, since if you could’ve you would’ve.)

It seems the real issue is a failure to understand how politics works in general, how it works in the US, and how it works in a two-party system. The answers to those questions should help you understand why so many people recognized that if Bernie didn’t win, we’d be in this exact position. No one can tell the future, but plenty of people have predicted exactly what has happened (from trump being president to the DNC propping up a corpse despite the will and wishes of voters and donors).

Finally, imo, if Warren was sincere (and wasn’t purposefully trying to hurt the chances of policies she supposedly supports being enacted) then she’s unbelievably incompetent, which I absolutely do not believe she is. That leaves only one alternative: she refused to run against Clinton because she knew she would have a good chance at beating her and didn’t want to run against here; instead, she preferred the certainty of a cabinet position (or less likely, support in her own presidential run 2-3 terms later - an insane bet, imo, given no party keeps the presidency a 3rd term in this country) and then she ran in 2020 to help Biden based on the same motives (support the DNC and they’ll support you). She sold out plain and simple.

I’m truly blown away that people don’t recognize that many progressives clearly said it would be a Bernie vs establishment DNC (i.e. Biden) rematch and it was. How do people not feel absolutely duped after all the BS 20+ candidates that were obvious distractions that then all joined to support Biden like fuckin clockwork. Fuck conspiracy theories, we literally watched this stuff happen and people still seem beyond confused. It’s so wild to me

Sorry for the rant in return. I wish I had friends I could talk to about this stuff, but my friends are mostly dumb as shit. They’re a fun crowd tho ;P

Well Joe’s definitely ficking over biden

What the fuck are you talking about? You just decided to lie like that? That’s wild

Why did she run in 2020 though? Why didn’t she run in 2016 when Bernie and many of her supporters, myself included at the time, overwhelming supported her and begged her to run against Clinton (because we knew she was a terrible candidate that would cost us so much).

Why did she choose to run against Bernie when the policies they support are so similar.

Better question: what policies did she support that she didn’t think Bernie would enact that made her feel she needed to run against him? It was obvious he had a better chance than her that point, so why run against him?

Idk, one of the judges said this ruling made him a king. I’m going to take her word over your half-assed opinion. lol

I never said Jim Crow was cool or anything. lol

I consider Black Americans Americans so… America gets the credit

I don’t think we’re understanding each other here. Wasn’t really trying to argue. Sometimes, two things can be true. No?

I was referring moreso to the cultural impact. (Though from your later replies I think you’re just making a joke I’m not getting)

When I think of things I respect about the US and the positive impact its had, I tend to think of how most governments at the time (50s-70s and 70s-90s) seemed to be cracking down on personal free expression (granted that was happening in the US for nonwhite people) and yet Americans (specifically those in counter-culture movements) were able to resist and come out on top. Hell, I’d even throw in comic book creators as having made their mark on moving the needle towards free expression despite loud criticism from conservative mobs.

While yes, what about rock and roll, or hip hop or the ability to criticize politicians you disagree with? That was all cool. Shit, having trouble coming up with more. I’d put the new deal in there too. That shit was gold and created a strong working class. Just sucks how dumb we’ve always been because of the racism and greed (can’t fund good schools for everyone or have public pools or whatever)

It certainly could mean something, but unfortunately it seems like it’s mostly just used for advertising things to… certain people

Good thing back in the day there were probably very few cult leaders…

Does anyone wonder about how the story of Jesus being plagiarized from the Egyptian myth of Horus affects the narrative about the Jesus that supposedly lived and died a century earlier? You know the one that happened to have incredibly important political value for the established leaders of the time?

No? Me either. Praise Horus!