At this point, I think any vote toward Trump’s main opposition is the correct vote. Anything else is, to use your word, foolish if you don’t want fascism.

Meaning voting third party (or not voting) because your candidate isn’t progressive/moderate/anything enough, is as good as voting for Trump.

Yeah. I know a few people in my red state, who didn’t love Trump after his last year or so and were on the fence if they were going to vote for him or just sit 2020 out.

When Harris was selected for vp… all a sudden it was the narrative of Biden might get sick or die and her become president. Which way unacceptable. Once that narrative took hold and swayed voters, they pushed it further to Biden was a puppet to her… then they pushed it to he was going to step down day 1 to give her presidency.

It was dreadful.

Would you agree for the same logic for Republicans.

By voting a progressive leader, we would be ignoring the voices and pleas of those who have been suffering under the established Democrat leadership? Is this selfish?

What about of the roles were reversed? What if we had a progressive leader for the last 4 years and the moderates wanted Biden now. Would we be ignoring the voices and pleas of the moderates to keep our current progressive in? Is this also selfish?

The right hates her. I can’t understand why the right would hate a confident african american woman, enough to make up conspiracy theories about her.

Absolutely.

I understand there are arguments to be made about it being foolish. I don’t agree but I could understand the arguments.

My question is how is it selfish? There are infinite reasons why it’s not selfish. For example, maybe you like moderates. Maybe you didn’t want trump to win and you thought he was the best candidate. Maybe you like that he likes ice cream. Maybe you closed your eyes and picked randomly. None of these are selfish reasons. I struggle to think of a selfish reason to vote Biden, unless you are Biden voting for yourself.

I agree with you on this at least. Given the choices between racism or any Democratic leader, we should unite behind the Democrat.

If you don’t want fascism, I be would say it’s foolish. I be wouldn’t say it’s selfish tho. I don’t really understand what selfish about it.

Well he did win. And honestly pretty much no matter what he does in office, his most admiral feat was to stop the insanity we had the previous 4 years

If you are voting third party, instead of for Biden. Aren’t you saying you’d rather lose to fascist then vote for Biden?

Because at the end of the day, it’s Biden vs Trump. A vote for Biden, is be a vote against Trump and vice versa.

For curiosity sake, what’s selfish about voting for Biden?

Kamala would rally the right so hard if she was the candidate. Heck when Biden ran in 2020, him picking her as a running mate caused the right to freak out enough already. They started these huge conspiracies saying day one Biden would step down and hand the presidency to her. Which even amongst some of my peers, I heard. It’s scary how conspiracy theories can spread.

Matter of fact, I wonder if reminding them of this point would have them be more skeptical for the next scheme…

Maybe enough of them would to shift the election towards Trump. Even if it’s 60/40, losing 40% of the moderates could be a be death sentence for the Democratic candidate. Look at how many people “voted to send a message” in previous years. It’s sad but it might be true.

So does basically everyone. Including both Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

Personally, I’ve always thought “They could sell your data to insurance companies who might jack up your prices or claim something is a pre-existing condition” to be the most p we persuasive to people like my parents.

But Facebook/Twitter/etc isn’t telling out boss what we say about them at home. Or our SSN to every car we pass. Or how much we hate it family-in-law.

Unless you give them realistic reasons, they will always counter with “That’s different” because it is.

I keep seeing people saying “I have nothing to hide” is a bad argument. But no one ever explains why it is. So for the people who say they don’t care about the privacy, what would you say to them about why they should care?