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  • You do not need friends to attend seminars no. In first world civilized countries most people snicker behind your back and behind closed doors but they will not actively do anything to break the peace.

    Normies will ostracize you for everything that does not fall within extremely rigid highly defined bounds of acceptable, it does not matter if you are nice or not, once you have become the subject of jokes it’s all it’ll ever be. I’ve been on both sides of this equation.

    I am neurodivergent and LGBT and I have learned the hard way there is no fitting in with normal people and even if you did - there is no trusting them, it’s best to not concern yourself with them and simply carry on with your work. If you feel like you must have social connections it’s best to find people who are similar.









  • and it reads that this medication began at around the same time as you started on nicotine again.

    No, there was at least a few months between these two events. I should’ve phrased it better.

    Do you think perhaps you are associating the effects of the ADHD treatment to nicotine use?

    No. They’re wildly different in feel. I can tell when my meds wear off and when they kick in most days. That’s why I like having both.

    i personally experienced some sticky phlegm and trouble coughing this up

    This is far more likely due to the fact you used to smoke. I have anecdotally heard of some people who have issues with feeling like their throat is irritated, but they usually have crazy setups, like 300w 4-coil 0.24ohm temple RDAs with 1.5mg nic on a noisy cricket II in series or w/e. I have a hunch that the reason for it. Those were fun AF but I wouldn’t use it long term, it’s the equivalent of thinking that because a bar of chocolate doesn’t hurt you, then neither can a giant dump truck.

    I’ve long switched to the rechargable elfbars with high strength (relatively) nic salts and low vapour volume which I’ve had no issues with.

    and the dependance on the nicotine made me extremely irritable and unable to concentrate until i vaped

    That’s true for sure. If I know I’m not gonna be able to vape I just use nicotine patches, I have no psychological addiction to vaping itself, only a physiological dependency on nicotine, if the patches match my nicotine intake levels, then I tend to forget vaping is even a thing at all haha.

    Also it takes longer than a few months to break a nicotine addiction.

    Yes, in terms of cravings, and those did pass actually, but in terms of such acute withdrawal effects? Nah - something is definitely going on there that wasn’t just pure withdrawals.

    As i said i have no idea about your personal situation.

    You do now that I wrote it out :)

    Either way, have a good day!


  • Nah. I quit for quite a few months and my withdrawals largely passed, I no longer had any nicotine cravings by that point.

    Then I started having serious problems with academic performance, insane mood swings, etc.

    My stress levels were much higher, I had brain fog constantly and was either restless or super low energy.

    I experienced zero benefits to quitting vaping in terms of physical wellbeing also, my lungs felt no different before or after, but I never smoked, but I did almost become obese after quitting due to the lack of hunger suppression.

    I didn’t connect it to quitting nicotine at first and searched for psychological explanations, but I had no actual reasons to be struggling at the time, eventually I realized it started a few months after I’d quit vaping. When I started using nicotine again via patches, after some time I started feeling like myself again.

    Turns out I had undiagnosed ADHD - now professionally diagnosed so I actually was genuinely way better off on nicotine than off of it, it does the same thing as Adderall (Amphetamine) does as well, but more subtle and in a slightly different way, a combination of both has really made me a much better person, far more rational and just generally way calmer, but also way more productive. I now have an MSc and a decently paying IT career, a stable and healthy relationship, healthy weight and I’m always working on self-improving through exercise, learning or minimizing other vices like cutting out all sugary foods, no more snacks, more veg, less alcohol etc etc. I wouldn’t have had any of this without good ol’ nicotine.

    From my discussions with the diagnosing psychiatrist, this is a relatively common thing amongst folks with ADHD.

    There are a number of studies that suggest Nicotine’s potential usefulness in “neurospicy” people:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5758075/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8741955/

    One study suggested that poor cognitive performance overall being a good predictor for relapse among smokers could actually be explained by rhe fact that nicotine being a stimulant has wide ranging helpful effects for cognitive function:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6018192/

    ADHD or not I can certainly relate. If I had to put a word to how I felt off nicotine, I’d say I primarily just felt like I was dumb.

    Here’s also a science direct article that mentions cites a range of studies, including on that of its positive effects on people with Alzheimer’s;

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S027858462300009X

    Drugs are drugs. YMMV. Assuming that chemical X is always bad when this isn’t the case isn’t useful to a productive discussion. Even if you want to dissuade people from nicotine absolutely - an approach that works far better to actually getting people on board is being honest.

    On Reddit, subs like quitvaping and the caffeine quitting one are full of misinformation that is transparently a bunch of people RPing the war on drugs infomercials of the late 80s, not much different from the semen retention pseudoscience folks.

    But also don’t smoke. Obligatory disclaimer but Inhaling combustion smoke just isn’t worth any benefit of anything, not nicotine, not devil’s lettuce.

    Vaping is far far safer and so far is not known to cause any issues, (unless of course you count the tainted dark market unregulated american weed vapes which will give you popcorn lung), though as always, we can’t be sure, so best use something like patches.