So by your metric, Mozilla has been dishonest compared to even Google in the data sucking they’ve implemented, since even Google announced it, correct?

Do you genuinely believe the average user reads the release notes? If you do, I call bullshit.

It’s just collecting the same data that people have already opted out of, and more often.

You are also using a misleading statement, either maliciously or unknowingly, to make a false statement:

• The misleading statement: “advertisers won’t know a thing about the people that clicked their ad”. While this may allegedly be correct, as Mozilla has claimed it, Mozilla has the capability and the private data (which they sell directly to advertising companies) to do this themselves.
• The false statement: “Mozilla is not collecting new personal data.” You are using Mozilla’s statement to assume this is the case, but it is not. Mozilla is collecting the extra personal data directly. Anonymization is not done on your browser.

Due to the fact that Mozilla has broken users trust by sneakily injecting this extra data collection, I don’t see any reason a rational person would presume Mozilla should be trusted on further statements regarding their sneaky activity. Do you?

If you believe PPA isn’t collecting new data, then you haven’t pointed to it doing anything else. You make it out to be worthless, and I’m trying to ascertain whether you believe this authentically.

Vertical tabs serve a distinct UX and UI function and I could write paragraphs about it. And even if I couldn’t, others have. For years.

Nobody has asked for Mozilla’s bullshit until it was pushed on them, but I’d be happy to hear out your post-hoc rationalization if you have actual things it is rather than your interesting claims about what it isn’t.

If Mozilla is going to spend time and money and employee effort on this project, then they can just ship it as an optional extension instead of forcing users to install it by default.

Otherwise, you’re just advocating for bloat. And at that point, I have to ask: what is your cutoff point for how much bloat is too much? Can they inject the 10 most popular add-ons on the marketplace? How about the 100 most popular? 100

Individuals’ security and privacy on the internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional.

- Mozilla Manifesto Principle 4, amended

Could you name one or two things that are part of “all the advertisement telemetry” that is new?

If your argument is that nothing new is being collected, then there is no reason for Mozilla Corp to collect it and you agree with me that they should roll these changes back.

Also, why do you need a guaranteed privacy increase?

Because I hate it when corporations like Google and Mozilla lie by calling something private when it endangers privacy rather than enhancing it.

Here’s a question for you: in what universe do corporations somehow implement Mozilla’s proprietary technology and actually increase privacy?

Tell me, what data about you does anyone get?

For starters, Mozilla Corp gets non-anonymous data like your IP address, time of connection, and all the advertisement telemetry.

Then they tell you “trust us with this”. The problem is, they have already broken their trust by refusing to tell the user, and doubling down upon this.

And why is there no benefit to legitimate advertisers

Because advertisers already have better options.

*If you trust the advertiser, they can do it on their own. If you don’t trust the advertiser, then the additional third party does nothing.

You want to legislate telling companies which servers they are allowed to gather data from, making it into a de jure oligopoly rather than a de facto one?!

Okay, so the end result is a privacy drain for users, extra data that Mozilla slurps up but somehow does not benefit from, no benefit to legitimate advertisers (versus a/b url testing), and no draw for privacy invasive ones.

Then WTF

I would support something like this. Or something like what brave does. Or something like GNU Taler.

Pretty much anything but sending extra tracking data out.

I feel a little worried that I’m not even sure how Mozilla could monetize this. At least when Brave does its ads, people know how Brave makes their cut.

I’m still looking for some concise documentation about exactly what Firefox sends, and if I could, I would love to intercept that data so that I can send it myself at a later time, with extra details

At least they could have popped up a dialogue saying it existed, like Google Chrome does.

Insult to injury, Mozilla posted an excuse to Reddit that said that they didn’t want to confuse users with too many pop-ups. This is the same company that would pop up messages reminding you that they were blocking trackers, or saying you should change your browser…

As is the sidebar, thus why I was curious about how joined the features are.

I would love it if Mozilla cast the AI trend aside and left the chatbot junk to extensions, like we already have. Even for an AI evangelist, the landscape has become dotted with chatbots that are incompatible with each other but link back to the same APIs.

Interesting how the announcement contains neither mention nor screenshot of the new AI chatbot that appears to be in it…

I thought that was going to be an integral part of the sidebar. Are they keeping it turned off by default?

Oh, so you think the Mozilla manifesto sucks. Why do people like you hate Mozilla so much more than I ever could?

And that, apparently, FakeSpot selling private data is the “fundamental” and “non optional” approach. Is that your interpretation of it?

Interesting. I asked you how Mozilla FakeSpot’s privacy policy adheres to Mozilla Foundation principles, and your answer is to tell me to avoid it.

Is the privacy policy of Mozilla FakeSpot compatible with the Mozilla Foundation, yes it no?

You seem to have incredibly low standards for Mozilla.

But for people who are not you, I want you to explain how the Mozilla Foundation manifesto is compatible with the Mozilla FakeSpot privacy policy that promises to sell browsing history, search history, and geolocation directly to advertisers.

As a privacy enthusiast and pragmatist, I see Firefox as providing no additional benefit to users or advertisers. Considering the laughably small market share of Firefox, I’m not sure how it is expected to woo advertisers over either.

Which of these options look more robust: Google Topics, Mozilla PPA, or advertisers doing AB testing on their own by simply using different links for different audiences?

If you trust the advertiser, they can do it on their own. If you don’t trust the advertiser, then the additional third party does nothing.

The board is the Corporation. Why would they be bound to the Mozilla manifesto? They seem to be destroying its spirit right now.

If “just sue them” is the only way to hold Mozilla accountable, how low they have fallen!

And an executive is suing them. For discrimination.

Can we just redistribute the CEO’s salary