Voting is a start, but what about project 2025? What of Roger stone and the Republicans, repeated (and depending on your views of the bush v gore election and the brooks brothers riot, successful) attempts to preempt duly elected presidents from going into office?

It doesn’t take a majority to put a dictator in power. That’s why converting, calming and understanding republican voters is so important, if they don’t show up to the capital then the gop can’t use them as an excuse to seize control and bypass the vote.

I agree, we should blame the parents. they should have raised their kids better, and in the case of the mentally unwell helped them get the necessary treatments.

What would you do, to prevent them from gassing me? Put them in their own concentration camps?

I would criminally charge and jail the leaders, trump Roger stone and the heratage foundation, deprogram the followers, just like with any cult. They think they are saving america, just like anyone who says vote D no matter what.

It usually doesn’t work the first time, ya gotta keep at it. as stone temple pilots say, take time with a wounded hand.

I get not wanting to put yourself out there to try and help, and it’s really hard not to just be a dick to people you disagree with.

but if the question is how do we stop fascism the answer isn’t blame them or make them feel guilty about it, it’s reaching out and helping them out of it. they are people and people are stupid stubborn afraid and in need of support from other people.

That’s the tricky part of a cult, you get convinced to do things you wouldn’t normally do. The trump supporters I know raised their kids to be better, but were just vulnerable enough to be convinced that Trump would bully the bullies and protect the weak, which was a complete lie.

I empathize and hope for them to have the strength to let go of their brain washing and work to fix what has been broken.

I agree that a lot of people had to see trump as president before they knew he was a bad president.

i just disagree with blaming people who didn’t vote for trump for trump being elected.

hell I kinda disagree with blaming trump supporters for trumps actions. the people I know that like him are old, uneducated, rural, or deeply Christian, they don’t know how to think critically. They don’t question the news they get and they only get news from a single source that tells them they are right. they are in a cult, and in a cult the cultists are victims. the leaders are the ones to blame.

Fox News, oan, tucker Carlson, Donal trump are the people to blame for trumps presidency, Jan 6th and project 2025 not the people who voted for him, and certainly not the people who didn’t vote for him.

Well first yes we do based on Biden winning 2020.

Secondly Voting for trump directly lead to trump winning. At best not voting for Hillary indirectly Lead to trump winning.

Personally I would put more blame on the democrats for not fielding a better candidate that could have beaten trump not the people who didn’t vote for a shit candidate

Fight the system, the blm protests did help, their only failing wa people didn’t keep up with it the power of the people is not in voting it is collective action in the streets.

Become a hermit

I’m claiming that you can’t blame people who didn’t vote for fascism for fascism.

You are claiming that people who don’t vote how you want them to are helping to bring forth fascism.

following that logic by not fighting in Ukraine you too are giving rise to domestic fascism in that putin could one day become a fascist dictator of America if not stopped.

by not stopping him you too support fascism in America.

Edit: Don’t let billionaires divide us, you are better than that, Republicans are better than that, I believe you want the best for america just like they do, you are both just confused on how to do it and who the actual enemies of democracy are.

So why aren’t you out in Ukraine planning a covert mission to assassinate putin? By not fighting him you have no impact on if a fascist takes over the world.

Its a stupid argument it’s not just yes or no.

you are playing into the fascists game by ignoring the other possibilities.

I was, voteing 3rd party is voting against fascism, unless trump ends up running 3rd party then it could go either way. There is more than just us and them, there are people inbetween, and treating them like the enemy is not how we get out of this mess.

Who you or I vote for is not going to stop a second January 6th, it isn’t going to change the plans in project 2025, the question is no longer about duely elected politicians, there is a high chance that Trump could be barred from running due to his actions on Jan 6th, but that doesn’t change angry confused people’s minds.

If you don’t want to make america Florida convince a Trumper he’s bad don’t attack people who already know it.

You can’t blame 3rd party / nonvoters for the faults of republican voters. Mentality like that is why we are stuck with point number 1.