• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

    He’s literally saying Ukraine and Russia are the same nation. How much more blatant does he have to be?

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      He’s making a claim about history that seeks to delegitimize the Ukrainian government, but that is not the same thing as saying that all Ukrainian territory belongs to Russia. At present, it’s just a theoretical argument.

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        He’s making a claim about history that seeks to delegitimize the Ukrainian government, but that is not the same thing as saying that all Ukrainian territory belongs to Russia.

        Please back this up with evidence. I gave you a direct quote.

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          Putin claimed there is “no historical basis” for the “idea of Ukrainian people as a nation separate from the Russians”

          There’s your evidence. Don’t know what else to tell you. He could try to use that argument to claim all of Ukraine’s territory, but he has not claimed all of Ukraine’s territory, the quote simply does not show him doing that.

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            What quote are you reading? That is literally him claiming that.

            This is some weird as fuck gaslighting.

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              It’s literally not.

              In the essay, Putin argues that Russians and Ukrainians, along with Belarusians, are one people, belonging to what has historically been known as the triune Russian nation.

              Do you think he’s also claiming Belarus?

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                  Since Belarus is a Russian vassal state?

                  That’s also not true.

                  Sorry, I’m talking about things that are actually formalized. Maybe that’s where the confusion is? Russia has never (to my knowledge) claimed any part of Belarus.

                  Just saying, like, “I think we have a common heritage” is not the same as saying, “All your territory belongs to me and I intend to take it.” The distinction is enormous.