• Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.worldOP
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    3 months ago

    So I’m not sure what you’re saying.

    I think you know exactly what I’m saying. We are able to vote for whoever we want to win. So I am.

    And I totally agree we should get rid of the Electoral College.

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      3 months ago

      I really don’t. You said:

      almost half of the country doesn’t want Harris to win. And if more of them vote for their candidate than those who vote for Harris, then she loses

      And based on how our system works, that’s simply not necessarily true. In this case it might be, but it also might not be. Here are a some examples:

      If some of the people who don’t want Harris to win, but also don’t want Trump to win vote for Stein or RFK, then those votes are likely to help Harris, but depending on where those votes are cast, they might also help Trump. If Harris loses Pennsylvania, even if she wins the national popular vote, she still might lose the election. If Harris wins all or most of the swing states, but Trump gets more popular votes, Harris still wins.

      See, “we are able to vote for whoever we want to win” is 100% true in theory, but depending on where you live, it’s a sad fact that your vote for the president counts less than someone else’s vote depending on where they live.

      We have one vote per person, but each vote does not carry the same weight. Wanting our two party system to change is healthy, casting your vote by pretending it will do something it wont, is not.

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        3 months ago

        casting your vote by pretending it will do something it wont, is not.

        But voting for who I want to isn’t pretending at all. It’s one of the fundamental rights of being a US citizen.

        Even of YOU don’t like my candidate, I can still vote for her. I don’t like your candidate either, but I’m not bullying you to change your mind. lol

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          3 months ago

          That’s 100% right, voting for who you want to is not pretending, but thinking it will do something that it won’t, absolutely is.

          I’m sorry if I came across as bullying, that wasn’t my intention. You totally have the fundamental right to vote for whoever you want, it doesn’t matter what I think at all. I just feel strongly that people should have the most information possible about how our system works, because casting a vote for your preferred candidate, doesn’t mean that candidate necessarily benefits from your vote.

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            3 months ago

            just feel strongly that people should have the most information possible about how our system works

            Agreed. But I also think that the only way to change the system is to be the change we wanna see. So I am voting for the candidate I want to win. Regardless of odds. I’m voting for who i want to win, based on policies I believe in. And this year it’s Jill Stein who aligns closest to my values.

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              3 months ago

              Well I respect the sentiment, and honestly wish you the best of luck. I personally think you’re making a mistake that could be quite costly, but like I said above, it’s your right.

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                3 months ago

                Thank you. I personally think that who you are voting for is a mistake as well. But I feel very strongly that it is your right, and best of luck to you as well.

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      3 months ago

      I think you know exactly what I’m saying.

      Let’s face it, almost half of the country doesn’t want Harris to win. And if more of them vote for their candidate than those who vote for Harris, then she loses. That’s democracy in action.

      It sounds like you’re saying you want to see Harris lose more than you want Stein to win. More than half the country doesn’t want Trump to win, but he will if Democrats are divided or if no party gets a majority.

      I also agree we should get rid of the Electoral College and have ranked choice voting, but that’s not the reality we live in. Voting as if the system is ideal will just result in Trump a Trump presidency like 2016.

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        3 months ago

        It sounds like you’re saying you want to see Harris lose more than you want Stein to win.

        Not at all. I’m voting for who I want to win. As is my right.

        More than half the country doesn’t want Trump to win

        Then you shouldn’t be worried, then. Right?

        I also agree we should get rid of the Electoral College and have ranked choice voting, but that’s not the reality we live in.

        So maybe we should vote for people who want to change that. That’s what I’m doing.

        Voting as if the system is ideal will just result in Trump a Trump presidency like 2016.

        I don’t care. The world won’t end if Trump is president. You all said the same thing in 2016. And society is still here. And society will still be here in 4 years. I promise.