When Buayxiam (another Uyghur instructor) tells him about how their goal is also to get rid of religious extremism, she’s met with a very solemn WE CALL THAT BRAINWASHING from Sudsworth.
What should be done then? If there are Chinese citizens who subscribe to jihadist ideologies, shouldn’t an attempt be made to change their minds? Is that brainwashing?
Ah yes just a reeducation camp for terrorist jihadis. “Imperialist try not to paint Muslims who they want to suppress as terrorists difficulty level impossible”.
I’m not sure what the comparison to Guantamo after that is supposed to mean. I’m sure the Uyghur camps are better than Abu Ghraib and Guantanmo but that doesn’t mean much.
If there was nothing to hide they would have allowed the BBC to visit a facility of their choosing and other human rights organisations to enter and examine the area. Not allowing people to inspect only makes things look more suspicious.
The article further mentions a journalist confusing the location of a mosque they claimed was destroyed. That might be true in one instance. This FT article is filled to the brim with them though and it doesn’t look faked.
Imperialist try not to paint Muslims who they want to suppress as terrorists difficulty level impossible
I mean you did have terrorist attacks in China. Also the US delisting ETIM as an terrorist organisation tends to encourage that.
I’m not sure what the comparison to Guantamo after that is supposed to mean.
At least recite the full question being asked
What should be done then? If there are Chinese citizens who subscribe to jihadist ideologies, shouldn’t an attempt be made to change their minds? Is that brainwashing?
Or should they be considered a lost cause and sent to a Guantanamo type location?
I’m sure the Uyghur camps are better than Abu Ghraib and Guantanmo but that doesn’t mean much.
Vocational Training Centers where you learn mandarin and less radical interpretations of islam are indeed better approaches than Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
If there was nothing to hide they would have allowed the BBC to visit a facility of their choosing and other human rights organisations to enter and examine the area. Not allowing people to inspect only makes things look more suspicious.
Why would they let the BBC that obviously doesnt give a shit about mulims (see reporting on Palestine)?
Why would they let western think thank financed NGOs in?
This FT article is filled to the brim with them though and it doesn’t look faked
An analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018.
You asked for evidence of the cultural erasure of Islam in China and the FT article provides it in spades. There are also videos of protests against the renovation of said mosques.
Vocational Training Centers where you learn mandarin and less radical interpretations of islam are indeed better approaches than Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
Where a family fully loses contact with their father for 8+ years because he suddenly “voluntarily signed up for vocational training”.
You have to choose between “the CCP is doing cultural Genocide against Muslims and they are all terrorists who need to be culturally assimilated”, or “there is nothing going on”. You can’t do both.
Just like those “terrorists” in the middle east that started attacking Americans in Iraq?
The Americans invaded Iraq, Xinjiang is part of China since the quing dynasty you. Comparing apples and oranges.
Also are you denying that terrorist attacks were not perpetrated by the Etim??
A Muslim that fights back against their colonialist oppressor. Suddenly the imperial oppressor has to get rid of those “terrorists”.
What no theory does to a mf. Also portraying communists as an outside force, where have I heard this type of rhetoric before? (It’s from facists)
Where a family fully loses contact with their father for 8+ years because he suddenly “voluntarily signed up for vocational training”.
Without context this is meaningless drivel. Provide a source
You have to choose between “the CCP is doing cultural Genocide against Muslims and they are all terrorists who need to be culturally assimilated”, or “there is nothing going on”. You can’t do both.
Cultural genocide is when you have the highest density of mosques and the preserving of Uyghur Arabic and ethnic assimilation is when you teach another language (without banning the native one)
Who is saying that they are all terrorists? And who is saying “nothing going on”?
You re saying “religious extremism and terrorist attacks are good actually and needs to be respected”
Those are vocational training centers and.noone disputes their existence, lib. Also it’s funny you’re sharing the Wikipedia link that used to be called “Uyghur genocide” but had to change title due to lack of evidence
CCP doesn’t like minorities, especially Turkic minorities. What they do is mere assimilation and it doesn’t fall far from genocide
The fact that Xinjiang has one of the worlds highest mosque densities and having arabic description everywhere contradicts your assessment.
Lack of evidence is a cool term, because it’s total controlled under CCP. They don’t allow foreign media there. Hmm, what could be the reason I wonder.
Israel has banned aljazeera and other news outlets and organizations critical of them from their territory, yet are not able to hide the genocide on the Palestinians.
Considering this your assessment is also laughable
Thank you for acknowledging that the situation isnt black and white, also I aplogize for commenting with an overly hostile tone.
Since it’s impossible to prove a negative (the burdon of prove lies with the accuser/west), there’s a context that you might be missing and be interested. Here’s a comprehensive contextualization from the Chinese perspective utilizing western sources:
Always the same story.
Still, the damage is done. Some people still believe in the Uighur genocide and that the USA was concerned for Muslims in Xingjiang.
The scale of the genocide is likely exaggerated but the base evidence checks out.
Similar to Hamas committing some war crimes on oct7 and the west making up the other 90%.
Do you mind sharing a source?
Sure here’s a great video with a timestamp of evidence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz9ICFDk8Js&t=1643s
Ugh BE. Heres an analysis on the video tho
https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab
Ah yes just a reeducation camp for terrorist jihadis. “Imperialist try not to paint Muslims who they want to suppress as terrorists difficulty level impossible”.
I’m not sure what the comparison to Guantamo after that is supposed to mean. I’m sure the Uyghur camps are better than Abu Ghraib and Guantanmo but that doesn’t mean much.
If there was nothing to hide they would have allowed the BBC to visit a facility of their choosing and other human rights organisations to enter and examine the area. Not allowing people to inspect only makes things look more suspicious.
The article further mentions a journalist confusing the location of a mosque they claimed was destroyed. That might be true in one instance. This FT article is filled to the brim with them though and it doesn’t look faked.
I mean you did have terrorist attacks in China. Also the US delisting ETIM as an terrorist organisation tends to encourage that.
At least recite the full question being asked
Vocational Training Centers where you learn mandarin and less radical interpretations of islam are indeed better approaches than Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
Why would they let the BBC that obviously doesnt give a shit about mulims (see reporting on Palestine)? Why would they let western think thank financed NGOs in?
Most Muslim countries see no wrong doing neither https://www.axios.com/2020/10/08/un-statement-china-uighurs-xinjiang
Does the FT article mention that the highest density of mosques is in Xinjiang? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China
2,312 aint that much in China
Just like those “terrorists” in the middle east that started attacking Americans in Iraq?
And Israel also just needs to fight those “Scary Muslamic terrorists”. Nobody is being oppressed here guys! It’s just “getting rid of terrorism”.
A Muslim that fights back against their colonialist oppressor. Suddenly the imperial oppressor has to get rid of those “terrorists”.
You asked for evidence of the cultural erasure of Islam in China and the FT article provides it in spades. There are also videos of protests against the renovation of said mosques.
Where a family fully loses contact with their father for 8+ years because he suddenly “voluntarily signed up for vocational training”.
You have to choose between “the CCP is doing cultural Genocide against Muslims and they are all terrorists who need to be culturally assimilated”, or “there is nothing going on”. You can’t do both.
The Americans invaded Iraq, Xinjiang is part of China since the quing dynasty you. Comparing apples and oranges.
Also are you denying that terrorist attacks were not perpetrated by the Etim??
What no theory does to a mf. Also portraying communists as an outside force, where have I heard this type of rhetoric before? (It’s from facists)
Without context this is meaningless drivel. Provide a source
Cultural genocide is when you have the highest density of mosques and the preserving of Uyghur Arabic and ethnic assimilation is when you teach another language (without banning the native one)
Who is saying that they are all terrorists? And who is saying “nothing going on”?
You re saying “religious extremism and terrorist attacks are good actually and needs to be respected”
Yeah, sure. Those “re-education” camps are not real. You Lemmygrad people believe in something else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Those are vocational training centers and.noone disputes their existence, lib. Also it’s funny you’re sharing the Wikipedia link that used to be called “Uyghur genocide” but had to change title due to lack of evidence
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The fact that Xinjiang has one of the worlds highest mosque densities and having arabic description everywhere contradicts your assessment.
Israel has banned aljazeera and other news outlets and organizations critical of them from their territory, yet are not able to hide the genocide on the Palestinians.
Considering this your assessment is also laughable
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China
At least do some basic investigation before you opine
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Thank you for acknowledging that the situation isnt black and white, also I aplogize for commenting with an overly hostile tone.
Since it’s impossible to prove a negative (the burdon of prove lies with the accuser/west), there’s a context that you might be missing and be interested. Here’s a comprehensive contextualization from the Chinese perspective utilizing western sources:
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang