• Raiderkev@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    The same New York Times that put up an Op ed from political expert George Clooney yesterday telling Biden to step down. Gotta get the outrage clicks from both sides I guess.

    • ripcord@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      But he should.

      Well, except that apparently the replacement the DNC has in mind is Kamala fucking Harris. I knew it’d be too much to expect them to grow any balls.

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        4 months ago

        I think the idea is that she is already VP, so it creates less drama than trying to shoehorn someone else in at the last moment. We already have had to accept her being one seat away from the presidency, making her the candidate is easier for voters to swallow.

        She’s no worse politically than Biden, but she isn’t ancient and fumbling the job either, so I would absolutely vote for her if she were the candidate.

        If Biden does step down, I don’t see any possibility that the DNC could replace him with anyone else that isn’t going to create extreme disunity amongst Democratic voters.

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          4 months ago

          Harris has been an active and progressive VP. She has been better and more effective than every VP going back to Dan Quayle.

          Her only problems are charisma, and right wing propaganda. Same as Hillary.

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            I wouldn’t call right wing propaganda “her problem”, right wing propaganda is going to exist for literally any liberal that challenges the far-right.

            Why are we pretending that Kamala and Hillary were uniquely hated by the right? The entire Republican platform is a platform of hate. We cannot take their prejudices seriously because prejudice is all they will ever offer.

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              Hillary was uniquely hated though. She was a solid first lady and an OK senator and pretty good secretary of State. And the discourse around her was brain boilingly toxic. Obama was the only Democrat that experienced something similar, maybe Pelosi. Biden, Clinton, and Gore did not get that level of visceral hatred.

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        4 months ago

        No shit.

        Biden’s mental state is a legitimate criticism but don’t expect the DNC to suddenly be anything other than center-left. Whoever would replace Biden would run with essentially the same platform.

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          Center-left? DNC? On what planet? The DNC is a right-wing liberal party, it’s no flavor of Socialist, or even Social Democrat. Perhaps when the largest alternative is the GOP, filled with fascists and far-right populists, but that doesn’t change the views of the DNC, only their context.

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            My argument still stands. No one should expect the DNC to replace Biden with someone more left leaning than Biden regardless of how you put the DNC on the political spectrum.

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          I just hoped (stupid, I know) that SOMEONE would realize that salvaging the platform is the least of their worries.

          They need someone who energizes the base. That’s how they won in 2008. That’s how they lost in 2016. And they only won in 2020 because Trump was such a tremendous fuck up and piece of shit. AND STILL ONLY BARELY.

          God damn.

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      4 months ago

      This is likely a response to criticism about their editorial saying Biden should step aside. There wasn’t enough “Trump bad” in that one for people so they’re making their position clear.