• Beaver [she/her]@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    Biden needs to do more for the lower/middle class and put bibi in his places then tell him no more trade.

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      5 months ago

      While it would be great if the US weren’t unilaterally supporting the actions of the Israeli government, unfortunately a major shift from that foreign policy position would likely only receive substantial support from the people already likely to vote Democrat, or anti-Trump at the very least. It would likely be spun by media outlets that are either generally conservative or simply biased in favor of the Israel government in such a way that would push moderates towards Trump. As Trump would only increase the country’s support of the Israeli military, it’s more important to avoid him being elected to avoid a worse situation in the long run.

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          The problem is that anything less than unwavering support for Israel would be spun by well-funded propagandists as left-wing at best and antisemitic at worst. Regardless of how unjustified those claims are, and how detrimental they are to the wellbeing of oppressed Palestinians, a switch in foreign policy tactics now just for Netanyahu to wait for Trump to be elected is not worth it, as any short term benefits for the Palestinians would be undone tenfold should Trump be elected. Beyond that, a similar or worse fate would await Ukraine should that occur, so it’s ultimately better to wait until the election is over to consider major policy changes.

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            5 months ago

            I understand that, also I think most of it was in your previous comment. What you didn’t do is answer the question: how long has Gaza got?

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        5 months ago

        People already materially demonstrated that you’re incorrect though during the primaries in multiple states, that’s what the Uncommitted vote was, a message saying “I will only vote for you if you resist this genocide.” And they did this in numbers that are comparable to his win margins from 2020.

        Now, it could be argued that Biden has wasted too much time and let too many people die since then, but there is no sign that not supporting the genocide would hurt him.

        He’s not making up the ground with his push for fascist immigration policy either, he’s literally just alienating more voters the further he goes to the right because republicans are not ever going to vote for him, and anyone in the progressive center isn’t going to go for illegal asylum denial policies.

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          5 months ago

          You’re the one materially incorrect if you’re saying a handful of primary voters holds a fucking candle to AIPAC money and the Israeli lobbying apparatus.

          You can weirdly argue Biden “let” people die all you want, but at the end of the day that’s not the opinion a majority of voters hold. It’s also not the top priority in their life right now, regardless of their opinion of Gaza. Any lost margin you think was represented in those primaries is ignorantly cute compared to the Israeli lobby on both sides, the Jewish vote and other folks with designs on the region.

          Bottom line there’s almost a century of US foreign policy involved, combined with decades of republicans fucking up the region, combined with liberal politics, combined with a fucked up election.

          The way things are, a handful of primary voters are a fart in the wind right now. They would do better to elect progressives to local elections and the House of Representatives than to sink a democratic president. One who has already worked with and championed progressives but also… you know has to lead a country of 100s of millions of people with different opinions.

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            5 months ago

            You can weirdly argue Biden “let” people die all you want,

            Sorry, U should correct that; he directly provides the funding and weapons to massacre children.

            Ask Summer Lee and her constituents what she thinks if AIPAC wasting millions to try and unseat her, lol.

            The era of AIPAC is coming to the end, people are becoming aware that they play both sides and they’re soon going the wat if the NRA.