• return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
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    8 months ago

    You’d rather stay ignorant in your Biden bubble and not know that he’s doing really bad across most demographics? Or would you rather be informed and push Biden to fight harder?

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      Nah I’ve got you tagged for this too. Biden has to be supported at this point, my life and many others are absolutely on the line. Defeating trump, trumps any and all concerns about Biden.

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        If you actually cared about defeating Trump then you would want to know which areas Biden was doing poorly in and help get him to get voters off the couch. I’m gay too and I cannot just sit by and hope “but Trump” works this time (it won’t). Voters need to be informed, motivated, and active.

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          Nope, politics is won by messaging. By constantly hand wringing about flaws your echoing his critics material. We all know his weaknesses, echoing them over and over only weakens the messaging.

          Point is your just echoing the criticisms, which undermines his strength as a politician even if he isn’t anyones favorite, he’s still a good Democrat who is old school pro union, which is honestly more beneficial and fundamental to democratic power than anything.

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            Biden is what the GOP was in the 90s. Biden’s always been conservative and racist. Do you know his history over the last 40 years?

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              I know his troubled history, I’m trans, I’m a socialist. I do not believe there is any other way for me to survive without a Biden win, and black people in South Carolina overwhelmingly put Biden in charge of the democratic party over Bernie Sanders and I respect that choice because he was there to uphold Obama’s legacy.

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                black people in South Carolina

                You mispelled “DNC meddling in the primary”.

                The Democrats chose to elect Trump in 2024 when they conspired against the most popular politician in the USA to put a minimum-viable neoliberal candidate on the ballot in 2020.

                I don’t want to be a doomer about it, but the writing was on the wall by the end of 2018 and the only thing left in the DNC playbook is to lash out at everyone who isn’t a sycophantic supporter.

                I spent two years orchestrating an escape from Texas to a blue state once the abortion bans started coming through, and I’ll probably spend the next three getting out of the USA and bringing as many refugees as I can with me.

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                Hope and change? Yikes. Obama was a huge disappointment. That’s coming from somebody that volunteered, made phone calls, and ran the orange county Obama website.

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                  Obama changed Healthcare forever he gave me the Healthcare that saved my life literally, again trans. His hope and change was a step forward. But you don’t sound old enough to remember what it was like before that. And he was betrayed out of his congressional power immediately after by Joe Lieberman.

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              Didn’t take long for the right wing talking points to creep in after all.

              We’re allowed to make mistakes. He’s an old man and most definitely grew up in another world. He’s clearly changed his mind on a fair number of things later in his life, which is hard to do.

              No matter what you say there’s only one reason to post the shit you keep posting.

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      You’d rather stay ignorant in your Biden bubble and not know that he’s doing really bad across most demographics?

      Absolutely this is the case. A lot of democrats are going to think that they’ve got this in the bag because “Trump is worse!” They’re want to live in echo chambers and think that Biden is doing great because the other option is too scary for them to admit to themselves. And anyone that prods that cognitive dissonance will be yelled at and shouted down with cries of “Russian bot” and “You’re helping the fascists”.

      Meanwhile, Trump republicans and “normal” republicans (is there such a thing now?) are all rallying behind their God King, and everyone “in the middle” (i.e. uninformed people that don’t keep up with the news, and what they do know is surface level at best) just sees a doddering old grandpa vs a charismatic flimflam salesman.

      I want to enthusiastically support Biden. It would be great if he were earning my support. But his behavior and campaigning are forcing me to merely reluctantly hold my nose to vote for him.