• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Do you think everyone in San Francisco can be a plumber or an electrician?

    People need to do things like work the espresso machine at Starbucks because, at least for now, we don’t have robots to do it. And they can’t afford to live in the city.

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      9 months ago

      No, not everyone in San Fransisco can be an electrician or plumber, but the many that are complaining about high prices of rent can learn a trade and move to lower cost areas where the pay is good. The people working Starbucks espresso machines are in the same boat. If you’re working 40+ hours a week and can’t find a place with roomates to live you need to move somewhere more affordable.

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        9 months ago

        If you’re working 40+ hours a week and can’t find a place with roomates to live you need to move somewhere more affordable.

        Fine. Who is going to make the coffee? Or flip the burgers? Or wash the dishes? Or deliver pizza?

        Should San Francisco not have any low-cost food options?

        Because you sure don’t sound like you think service industry workers deserve more pay.

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          9 months ago

          If you cannot afford to live in San Fransisco you shouldn’t live in San Fransisco. If all of these people left, the market would fall to the point where the city becomes affordable again. The rich hate being inconvenienced more than anything, and if all these workers moved to cheaper areas they would feel it.

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            9 months ago

            You think only rich people drink coffee and expect to eat off of clean dishes? Really?

            Also, what cheaper areas would those be? And why should they have to endure even longer commutes than they already endure?

            All of this sounds like you want to punish poor people because they’re poor.

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              9 months ago

              If you’re poor you shouldn’t be getting Starbucks regularly, make your own coffee for cheaper. Cheaper areas are all around, smaller cities across America where your wages stretch farther. Not everyone needs to live in the bay area.

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                9 months ago

                I see, so because people “shouldn’t be” getting Starbucks “regularly,” poor people should commute two hours to get to the job from the apartment they share with five people because that’s all they can afford on the sort of low-wages all such establishments pay. Also, most people can’t make things like caramel macchiatos at home. Because that requires an expensive machine rather than spending a few bucks on coffee, something many people who are not rich can afford.

                So this still sounds pretty anti-poor to me. Poor people who work there have to suffer, poor people who want to drink or eat there don’t get to do it.

                What kind of world do you live in where Starbucks only have rich clientele who get coffee there every day or every week?

                Also, what kind of world do you live in where there also aren’t privately-owned coffee shops?

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                  9 months ago

                  Good job completely ignoring the point where I said they should move to small cities where they can get a job in the local community and have their wages go farther. I go to college and pay my bills working at a car wash for 15 an hour plus tips. By no means great money but I live within my means and don’t expect to buy overpriced mid coffee. Starbucks works by making poor people think it’s rich people coffee and charging too much for mid drinks, the whole company should go under. Poor people don’t get to do everything they want to do like go out and eat and drink every night, that’s the nature of being poor. Americans need an attitude adjustment and a realization they don’t need to cluster into overpriced cities.

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                    9 months ago

                    I didn’t ignore it. Expecting the entire service industry of San Francisco to just up and leave is silly, impractical, and they probably can’t afford to since moving is expensive and moving somewhere that you have no guarantee of a job is a good way to end up homeless.

                    I mean really, you expect a city to function without a service industry? That’s ridiculous.

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                9 months ago

                So the Starbucks employee should like in eternal squalor and be grateful to barely make ends meet. But hey, those more fortunate needs their expensive coffee too, that money will trickle down any day now.

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                  9 months ago

                  Starbucks employees shouldn’t be rich, it’s an entry level food service job. People that make a decent living work better jobs, or are good enough at their starbucks jobs that they become manager and move up the chain to the point they can make a decent living.

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                    9 months ago

                    Yet they still need the ability to pay their rent to work where they’re needed.

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            9 months ago

            Ok, where do you live. I want a town name. You tell us where the cheap housing is, and I guarantee that Californians will fuck up your housing market because we have the money to do so. Ask literally anyone in rural America about Californians and the housing prices.