• njm1314@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Should be a major felony. This is straight up sedition. Trying to subvert democracy.

    • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Seems like this should fall under 18 U.S. Code § 912 - Officer or employee of the United States

      Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

      It would hinge on whether or not the company could be said to have obtained a “thing of value(PDF)” which if you read the linked PDF you’ll see is a complicated question. This passage from the PDF seems relevant to me.

      The words “thing of value” “are found in so many criminal statutes throughout the United States that they have in a sense become words of art,” wrote the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. “The word ‘thing’ notwithstanding, the phrase is generally construed to cover intangibles as well as tangibles.”Federal courts have consistently applied an expansive reading to the term “thing of value” in a variety of statutory contexts to include goods and services that have tangible, intangible, or even merely perceived benefits, for example: promises, information, testimony, conjugal visits, and commercially worthless stock.

      I would say that gaining the benefit of influencing the outcome of an election should be considered a thing of value for this purpose. If the authorities do not come down hard on this behavior then there is no reason for the billionaire class not to bury every election in false and misleading robocalls that seem to come from reliable and trusted sources.

      • Doc Avid Mornington@midwest.social
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        9 months ago

        I agree with your reasoning, but wouldn’t this still allow for faking candidates who are not currently in office? We should, if we don’t already, have laws to protect the interest of the public in having reliable information.

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        Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

        This is about pretending to be an officer of the US and getting something because of the office, not pretending to be someone who happens to be an officer of the US and acting in their private capacity. Impersonating a police officer and telling people it’s illegal to vote is a special crime, impersonating Joe, who happens to work as a police officer, and telling his Facebook friends it’s a waste of time to vote is not.

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      9 months ago

      This is not sedition…

      Frankly, sedition has become the new communist or fascist. A word with real meaning, turned into a slur, and then hurled at people with complete disregard for what the word actually means.

      I’ll go a step further and say that even the legal charges of sedition is something that the pubic should view with great skepticism.

      Otherwise, it may becomes the new terrorism boogeyman and the FBI will start entrapping people for that instead, or alongside, the terrorists they create, and then arrest.