The data show the Democratic Party retaining advantages among people of color and young adults, but in 2023 it was in a weaker position among these groups than at any point in the past quarter century. Democrats’ reduced support among Black and Hispanic adults should be especially concerning for the party, given Republicans’ continued strength among White adults, who remain the majority of the electorate.
I mean, they just supported an utterly horrible border policy. We just moved 8 steps to the right on immigration, and gained precisely 0 for it.
Consider further complexity - Ukraine desperately needs funding to fight a resurgent Russia. Put simply keeping that conflict isolated prevents a broader one across eastern Europe and us out of it. A strong Russia helps Iran which makes that conflict worse.
The immigration policy has a lot of bad in it - but it’s reform the GOP demanded to pass other issues. They just refused to accept “yes” to their own policy and have to run on that. Consider if that flips the House and retains the Senate actual, far better policy can be enacted.
The GOP is backing Russia and is desperate NOT to solve….anything. Democrats are at least attempting to polish the current DC turd. Biden has to back Israel and is telling Netanyahu to back off Gaza. The GOP sure isn’t.
The nuance is the GOP policy should be blamed on them. It was a master stoke to call their bluff and say “ok, pass it”. They never wanted it to actually pass any more than they wanted to lose Roe v Wade as a campaign issue. They’re screwing themselves.
There’s a lot of ginormous “If”s in there.
If the bill passes, if the dems retake the house and expand the senate, then, we can do the right thing at the border, and maybe help some people.
If they’re still alive, that is.
If we can get meaningful support to Ukraine, and if they can continue to hold out until then, and if the republicans don’t get more control…. Then maybe we can stand up to genocide and help innocent people in Gaza.
If they’re still alive, that is.
Our government is sliding into fascism, and all the democrat leaders are doing is the proverbial “we have democracy at home, maybe next year,”… when two years ago, they did have nominal control.
Some great points - Democrats continue to show naive faith that they’re dealing with an honest opposition and not an actual looming threat of fascism aligned with our adversaries and not at all committed to the rule of law nor the very concept of Democracy and the will of the voters.
On that i totally agree. It’s not business as usual and they’ve endeavoured ( understandably yet dangerously ) to believe things will revert to normal.
But what’s the option? Civil war? I’d like to think an electoral defeat would turn the tide and bring some people back from the cult…which seems to be happening a bit. Biden never had a mandate in Congress and never the Judiciary so I see it as despite massive obstructions he’s broadly done a good job. I never expected nor could we have achieved much more under the current circumstances. I blame McConnell, SCOTUS and the insane House far more than Biden for that.
I’m angry at the republicans for being assholes, and angry at the dems for not calling them assholes, if that makes sense.
Democrats need to stop dicking around. They need to get aggressive. You don’t save yourself from going over the brink by letting yourself be closer to the brink- you fight back and get the fuck off the edge.
Similarly, you don’t move the country towards progress by turning conservative.
They’ve been needing to stop dithering about and start advancing progressive causes because that is how you stay out of fascism. If the GoP is fighting to stop universal health care, they’re not fighting to privatize Medicare.
If they’re fighting to stop universal free lunches and breakfasts at schools, they’re not fighting remove snap.
If they’re fighting to stop climate regulation, they’re not deregulating.
If they’re fighting against voter rights and fair elections; they’re not fighting to fuck over voters with more gerrymandering and stupidly racist laws.
If the dems start fighting aggressively, instead “what we can get”… then every victory moved the Overton window left; and a defeat maintains the status quo. As it stands now, every victory for the dems maintains the status quo and every defeat moves the country right.
Further, we all know trump incited an insurrection. We all know he stole classified documents. Any one else in the country would have been arrested the day after (or as soon as the Archived found out they were missing stuff.)
Most people would have been held in a CIA blacksite.
Instead it was two and a half years before they even bothered to try and get stuff back, and even then fucked up the search in a way that cannot possibly be unintentional.
just as long before they took investigating Trump for Jan 6 even remotely seriously, it was 3 years before he was indicted.
Justice delayed is justice denied- and guess who the DoJ’s boss is? Yeah, they’re kind of independent… but he can still give broad directions and pressure to move forward.
He can remove assholes who refuse to do their fucking jobs.
We’re in this Biden v. Trump rematch precisely because Biden et al fucked around, playing political games with national security.
I don’t agree with some details but the sentiment is right on. Adhering to norms unilaterally is not helping.
That’s not going to flip the house. Republicans are cheering them because of course they aren’t on Fox admitting they torpedoed their own plan. They’re saying they blocked Biden from letting in all the Communists and giving them your job.
And Biden does not have to back Israel. You are never required to support genocide.
Democrats have to find a better way. it’s why leadership is hard and few are good at it. It means finishing jobs and bringing ways through.
Biden is a joke of a president, and a bad one. We were told that we had to not fight too hard in the primaries because we that would empower Trump.
These strategies focused on damage reductions dj harm mitigation have done nothing but make the situation worse.
This was an entirely terrible play by the Democrats. They are shit at politics and worse at strategy. We need real, bold leadership right now and Biden nor the rest of the Democrats are up for it.
This dumb ass play will be followed by another, worse idea now than the media has patted their backs for it.
Biden has to back Israel
No. He does not. He certainly doesn’t have to back them unconditionally, and he doesn’t have to circumvent congress to do so.
and is telling Netanyahu to back off Gaza.
For reals, or is this more “trust me, he’s totally acting behind the scenes”?
As much as Israel can be a shitty friend they’re the only real one we have in the region, so kinda yeah we do. And its not unconditionally - Blinken has explicitly told them to avoid civilian casualties and fostered the cease fire that already occurred. Have they pulled back and deescalated as much as we want? No. Have they done some and continue to do awful shit? Yes. Have they pulled their punches somewhat due to external (our) pressure? Absolutely.
It’s a near impossible puzzle - ignore Oct 7 and it escalates. Decimate Gaza and … it escalates. Engage Iran and it becomes a regional war (which the Iran-backed Houthis are trying to trigger). If we say F it and withdraw then what do you think happens? Everyone just chills out? I don’t have magic solution, nobody has for 70 years. Biden is walking the same tightrope and so far has things simmering instead of exploding.
And its not unconditionally - Blinken has explicitly told them to avoid civilian casualties
Yeah, and when they don’t listen, we’re going to support them at the same level we would have if they did.
If that’s not unconditional, where’s the condition?
we’re going to support them at the same level we would have if they did.
Meanwhile, back in reality, Israel just lost $17B in US aid, with more to follow.
Source?
Fourteen Republicans ended up voting against the bill, concerned about the lack of spending cuts to offset the $17.6 billion price tag. That compares to 204 Republicans who voted for it. On the Democratic side, 46 voted for it and 166 against.
Actually aid has been slow walked but you’re not wrong that we’d almost certainly come through and not leave them in the lurch.
What we lost in policy, we gained in clapbacks.
8 steps to the right from Trump’s position. We never backed the border down from his less insane but still cruel policies. Like keeping Asylum seekers in Mexico as some kind of giant ad hoc refugee camp with none of the services and protections.
How much support and how many elections against deranged fascists do these neoliberal idiots have to lose before they admit that it’s the fault of THEM for not earning people’s votes rather than the voters they take for granted and that it’s not fucking 1992 anymore??
But you see, minority voters are in bank, so we need to focus all of our efforts on capturing the center right white suburbanites worried about migrant caravans and “urban” youth. Politics is arranged along a single axis so as long as we’re better for minority voters than the ethnofascists, the only logical course is to vote for us. And as we all know, voters are perfectly rational actors so there’s nothing to worry about.
Well that’s a relief
As long as they have a group to blame for their losses, they don’t care.
What neoliberals want is a party that falls in line. And they will stubbornly lose until they get one.
Yeah but that doesn’t get me all my rich friend swag.
Biden draws bipartisan applause for calls to ‘fund the police’
Then there’s the fact that Democrats voted for a border wall like Trump/Republicans wanted
And the fact that Biden is openly okay with genocide and doesn’t care about internal people getting treated poorly, like LGBT, BIPOC, Women, and more.
Like it’s not really a shock.
The victory lap on the economy didn’t help. I feel like there was one millennial in the meeting and he got thrown out the window when he suggested they instead message about making things affordable again.
I really hope these disenfranchised voters still vote for the democrats regardless.
The alternative to Biden is a literal facist that claimed he would like to become a dictator for his first day back. This year is not the correct time to protest the current administration by abstaining or voting for another one.
Maybe instead of hoping the faceless masses do something differently you should focus your hopes and prayers (and voice) at the actual people making decisions. These aren’t random movements of sentiment, they’re in reaction to choices by powerful people who seem to think the solution is that everyone else needs to get on board with their preferred course of action.
There has never been a correct time and there will never be one, conveniently.
If you dont push back and hard against blatant fascism this is what you get
Oh look, another poll in which they ask you how you feel instead of who you plan on voting for.
Polls have been complete garbage since 2019 & have gotten even worse since. Since Roe v. Wade was overturned, there is a nine+ point difference in the Democrat’s favor between the polls & actual votes, natinonwide.
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A poll of who you want to vote for won’t reflect that.
Missing the point. Polls nationwide currently do not reflect reality & haven’t for some time now.
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There are polls for that. This is a long standing poll that we can use to track trends in party identification.
Was that ground taken by the Republicans or something else? Because my own position is that while I still hope that the next election is blue instead of red, I have hope that the people of America will find a third solution that involves neither current party. Not necessarily during this next election.
It was not taken. They’re going independent. They’re just saying they’re done with the Democrats. When the ideology polls come out it’s clear their still left leaning ideologically.
We could really do with some Socialist policies in the US right about now. If only half of the country wasn’t scared of the word, by itself.
People who end up voting for a party that abjectly hates them rather get the party they deserve but not the party they need.
It’s not that Republicans are picking them up in any great number. They’re going independent.
Same result
Not really. Independent isn’t a party, despite some attempts to grab the designation for a third party. It’s literally just a party identification metric that means neither. The ideological polling hasn’t shifted much so many of these people will probably still vote blue if they vote.
I don’t understand those confused Hispanics. I’m Hispanic myself and I’m well aware of those minority-hating politician fuckers.
Surly this will in no way backfire on them. Just ask rural whites in red states - they’re doing great, nothing but opportunities and wealth. Except no, wait, I’m being told they’re still neck deep in poverty. We’ll I’m sure it’ll work out differently THIS time.
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