• PaupersSerenade@beehaw.org
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    1 year ago

    ‘Transgender people could therefore come under investigation regardless of which bathroom they use.’

    I know it’s preaching to the choir here, but we all know that’s the point of all this. Can’t wait for mandatory genital examinations from the party that keeps complaining about grooming.

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    1 year ago

    I am so upset by how gender identity is now a key political issue, and I’m so fucking sorry to all of you that are directly affected by it. You don’t deserve this cruelty.

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      1 year ago

      Just FYI, “transgenderism” is a term right wingers use to try and say being trans is an ideology and not just people trying to exist. It is not a term we use to describe ourselves, and you sound like you are trying to support trans folks, so probably best to avoid it.

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        1 year ago

        Thanks! What word would best fit in this context?

        ETA: I’ve just changed it to “gender identity” - seems appropriate to cover the other topics being attacked also.

        • Vodulas [they/them]@beehaw.org
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          That totally works. Another FYI, and I don’t think it applies in this case since there is a comment thread that shows what happened, but typically you want to leave the mistake visible in some way (like using a strikethough on the original). This helps potentially prevent marginalized folks from having to repeat their advice by allowing others to see the issue.

          Again, I don’t think it is necessary in this case, but just wanted to give you a heads up.

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            That’s a fair point. I will admit it comes across a little nitpicky, which is something to be wary of if you’re building bridges with someone new to allyship. This is the point where some people will dig their heels in due to embarrassment.

            • Vodulas [they/them]@beehaw.org
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              Totally. People naturally get defensive when told they didn’t do something right. That why I was trying to make it abundantly clear it was not necessary in this instance, but might be for other things. It also seemed like you were willing to put in effort after you took my first comment super well, so that was an indicator I could probably push a little more. It’s not something I would have mentioned to someone that was more defensive initially

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    I’m split on this.

    One one hand, I thing people should be allowed to use whatever facilities best fit their “plumbing”, so a pre-op trans person should use the bathroom matching their cis gender.

    On the other, trans people should not be subject to any harassment their external appearance might cause in the bathroom they choose.

    On yet another… what’s wrong with “unisex” bathrooms? Just have a single bathroom, everyone uses it… problem solved? Removing “whites vs. colored” bathrooms worked just fine, why shouldn’t removing “guys vs. gals” work too?

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      I used to think gendered bathrooms were silly, but my Sex & Gender & American Imperialism professor mentioned that getting separate bathrooms was an early feminist issue, which might explain (a small percent of) the TERF backlash, they see it as “men invading women’s spaces” which they fought for. There’s also something to be said for rape culture, our current cultural climate might make it actively dangerous for women, cis or trans, to be in compromised positions in spaces men are sanctioned to appear in. Not that men are dangerous, but that dangerous men exist and are shielded by rape culture.