• Altofaltception@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Israel attacks the West Bank saying there is Hamas in the West Bank. Does this mean Israel will attack Israel because there is Hamas in Israel?

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      10 months ago

      Are you asserting that Hamas is NOT in the west bank? It’s so popular there that Abbas is about to lose his seat to Hamas.

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        10 months ago

        Are you asserting that Hamas appeared in Israel from thin air to commit these crimes?

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        But in seriousness, the reason Abbas is so unpopular is because Israel has refused to come to the bargaining table in good faith. The Palestinians view that Israel will not agree to terms peacefully.

        The Palestinian Authority have tried to negotiate with Israel, and while Oslo would have been a path to peace, the Israelis didn’t want it - you had Israelis massacre civilians in Hebron and then killing their own Prime Minister.

        When Camp David happened in 2000, the Israelis brought a proposal that was interpreted as a slap in the face for many Palestinians.

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          Hamas appeared to commit genocide, to destroy Israel and kill the Jews. You should read their founding document. I have. Here’s an atlantic piece that’s a decent critique of it as well:

          https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

          As for the Oslo Accords, Arafat walked away and refused everything, I’m not sure what myths you’ve been reading about it. Palestinians have rejected two-state 5 times, including Abbas in 2008.

          At one point Israel agreed to 80% of Palestine mandate to be the Palestinian Arabs and 20% the Palestinian Jews, but in reality they were sure they could just genocide or deport all the jews so even that wasn’t enough.

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            As for Oslo, Arafat walked away and refused everything, I’m not sure what myths you’ve been reading about it. Palestinians have rejected two-state 5 times, including Abbas in 2008.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

            Arafat walked away from Camp David, I’m not sure what myths you’ve been reading about it.

            Israelis hated the outcome of Oslo so much they killed their own PM.

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              A radical religious bastard killed the PM. Equating him with all Israel is the same as saying every person in Gaza is an active combatant. And though that’s ridiculous, it’s where your fallacy leads.

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                  10 months ago

                  Thank you for the Hamas talking point you regurgitated. Your number comes directly from Hamas and is a propaganda message you voluntarily spread for your ally.

                  ~8500 of that number were active Hamas terrorist combatants, another ~1000 were other terrorist groups that operate in Gaza. But your omission is exactly what they seek with their propaganda that indoctrinates, radicalizes, and ultimately provides more terrorist recruits.

                  EDIT: Oh and don’t forget about the hospital that Hamas hit with a rocket as they attempted a war-crime against Israel. Those victims are in that number too. ;)

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        10 months ago

        Why do you think he’s asserting that?

        He’s clearly being satirical about Israel bombing anywhere they claim is Hamas.