With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.

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    11 months ago

    That’s how war works. You think it’s all hugs and love in a war? What if one of them have a suicide bomb belt? You might want to look into how US army treats the locals in Iraq war. Every war has war crimes(so far I don’t see any committed by Israel). Every war has civilian casualties. Some people are fixated on civilians death from bombings. Well, if they are bombing Hamas targets and there are civilians, that’s just how any country would have done it. US did the same. Any country would do the same. So let’s get off your high horse and start criticizing both sides. I haven’t heard any liberals pointing finger at the Hamas. It’s sickening.

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      11 months ago

      Every single time Israel commits a war crime someone is like “tHatS jUsT wAr oKay?”

      That’s not what Israel said about October 7th is it?

      So why should be Palestinians settle for it?

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        11 months ago

        So why should be Palestinians settle for it?

        Because they don’t have the means to fight back and win. Because if they insist on intifada they will end up with nothing.

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          11 months ago

          Ah okay so we should then just accept a genocide. Bravo.

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            11 months ago

            Only if you redefine genocide so much that the term is meaningless. Israel is obviously not trying to eradicate an ethnic group. High civilian casualties via collateral damage does not a genocide make.

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      11 months ago

      Oh hey, sure. I can tell you exactly how we did it in Iraq. On both counts. So when you first make contact with the person you’re going to detain you have them stop at a distance. Then someone with a thermal sight looks at them through the sight and it’s readily apparent if they have a bomb vest on. I mean there’s no chance of not seeing it. But it could be something like a money belt or an armor vest. So you have them disrobe if, and only if, the guy with the thermal sight says it needs to happen. At that point if it is a vest and they’re cooperative it’s an EOD problem. If they aren’t cooperative, well that sucks.

      The key thing here though, is in the 99.9 percent of cases it’s not a vest, or there was no positive indication, they keep their fucking clothes. Just like your local PD is capable of searching you without stripping you, so is your friendly neighborhood infantry platoon.

      Now about bombing. Before you can drop any ordinance you have to first answer a few questions.

      *Is this structure currently being used by the enemy?

      *Are there signs of civilians, or is it somewhere we would reasonably expect them to be? (Such as an apartment)

      *Is this structure on the protected targets list? (Oh yeah we spent time creating lists of things not to shoot at if possible.)

      If the answer is yes to the first and any of the others we then also need to figure out if it rises to a level where bombing it is appropriate. For example, bombing an apartment building because there’s 12 guys there is a war crime. But if there’s a Battalion dug in there, then yeah it’s legitimate.

      What Israel has been doing is scanning satellite and drone footage for anything that looks like it could be the entrance hatch to a tunnel and bombing that. No matter where it is and with no evidence as to whether it’s a maintenance tunnel or the yet to be found super secret bad guy hang out. If I did that in Iraq I’d have been brought up on charges. They tried to bring me up on charges for firing a warning shot. So please tell me more about how, this is just the way it’s done. I’ll be over here shining my CIB, waiting for the answer.

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      11 months ago

      Oh the mental equilibristics to try to excuse war crimes and clear dehumanization from Israel. Seriously you should ask what kind of a person you are if you defend them.

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        11 months ago

        Maybe address the arguments being made rather than the ones making them. Not everyone thinks these are war crimes, and whatever dehumanization you see here could very well be for security reasons and not Abu Ghraib style psychological warfare.

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          11 months ago

          Whether or lot they are war crimes is not a matter of taste. Your argument is stupid. We’re not waiting for your opinion on This.

          Withholding fuel and water and meds from a population is collective punishment. Causing starvation in the population shows intent to kill them. Documents detailing how Israel wants to push Gazans into Egypt is intent to commit ethnic cleansing.

          Somehow YOU think you are smarter than all the human rights experts. Meanwhile, a genocide is unfolding.

          I don’t usually wish evil upon people but I do hope you one day get to experience such a degrading treatment personally. Let’s see if you then find a “security reason” for it as they look up your ass to check if you have weapons, then keep you in an undisclosed location on your knees like a dog, then you never get released, and fast forward for 10 years and you’re still a prisoner of Israel despite having no charge and you get tortured in prison all the time. But don’t worry, I’m sure it’s all JUST SECURITY