ā€œThe resolution suggests that all anti-Zionismā€”it statesā€”is antisemitism. Thatā€™s either intellectually disingenuous or just factually wrong,ā€ said New York Representative Jerry Nadler, who voted present. ā€œThe authors if they were at all familiar with Jewish history & culture should know about Jewish anti-Zionism that was and is expressly not antisemitic. This resolution ignores the fact that even today, certain Orthodox Hasidic Jewish communities ā€¦ have held views that are at odds with the modern Zionist conception.ā€

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    The frustrating thing is that if you find an ā€œanti-Zionistā€ online and scratch the surface just a little bit, itā€™s almost 100% of the time an antisemitic white supremacist wearing anti-Zionism as a veneer, so itā€™s kind of an understandable mistake.

    But itā€™s still a mistake, and they should know better.

    Edit: Wow, I guess this struck a nerve. But itā€™s true, most of the time - not all the time - people who call themselves ā€œanti-Zionistsā€ online also use (((parentheses))) around the word ā€œglobalist.ā€

    As BraveSirZaphod aptly points out, itā€™s a pointless word these days. Better to use a phrase like, ā€œopposed to the current Israeli government,ā€ which would - again, as BraveSirZaphod points out - put you in company with the majority of Israelis.

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      Hi, anti-Zionist here - feel free to scratch deeply bc thatā€™s a pretty terrible take. Israeli people from my experience have been generally nice, and I donā€™t hate anyone based on their race or religion (though I generally do not like organized religion for a wide variety of reasons). Israel has a right to exist, it doesnā€™t have a right to wantonly crush Palestinian people under itā€™s boot and thatā€™s all itā€™s doing at this point, along with attempting to hide and/or discredit any criticism of their part in this (had Netanyahu and his cronies not funded even more extremists in Hamas or taken the threat of an attack seriously, this all likely wouldnā€™t have happened). Or do you really accept as accidental that theyā€™ve killed more journalists per day than almost any major conflict?

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        Israel has a right to exist

        Under most definitions of Zionism, you are a Zionist. When the term was coined, it referred to the idea that the Jews should move to Israel and establish some kind of formal community.

        Of course, now Israel does exist, so that original frame of reference no longer exists and the term generally means ā€œa perspective towards Israel that matches or opposes what I thinkā€.

        At the beginning, opposing Zionism would mean that you donā€™t think Jews should move back to the Levant. Of course, that did happen, so now what? Perhaps it means you think that Israel should remain at its current borders and not expand, but is that really anti-Zionism when itā€™s literally the accomplishment of the Zionist mission? Or perhaps anti-Zionism is the belief that Jews should be forcibly removed from Israel or killed. That is unquestionably anti-Zionist, but itā€™s also blatantly genocidal.

        Basically, Zionism is a pointless term today and no one should use it. If you oppose Israelā€™s current government - a perspective shared by most Israelis it should be noted - just say that, and consider avoiding a term that some people will plausibly interpret as advocating for their genocide.