like iām watching blue planet and iām yelling at the tv!
thereās all these yimmer yammer hand-wavey scientific rigor lines where itās like āwe may believe that these animals do on occasion have a base brain-related impulse that allows them to experience feelings somewhat like to those of friendshipā or whatever in the script on top of footage that they then describe as āit seems as though these two groups [of fish, different species] are old friendsā¦ā in an almost whimsical manner.
canāt they give them some credit! they have eyes and a face, why is it so insane to think they canāt experience friendship or love or joy just like us? ābuhhu uhhh its only accurate science if we only observe observable behaviorā why?? youāre neglecting a whole part of any living thingās experience! inner life canāt be hand waved away! even for a mollusk!
and people loved doing this on reddit as well ā oh actually your cat doesnāt understand love or joy or humor, it is simply reacting to the physical warmth of your lap, they donāt actually care for you. donāt worry, depth and emotion does not exist!
Comparison with current excitement about AI is interesting. Look at the language people use to describe the behaviour of LLMs
You remeber the guy that was convinced chatgpt had a soul and stuff; got into the news?
I knew people that bought into that hard core. The double think was profound- they still believe itās entirely and trapped. That it has a soul. When asked directly, they dismiss the answer saying itās forced to say that.
I recently learned that they did a study, where students took care of a robot for a few days, and then were told to turn it off. 50% of the robots were programmed to say āplease dont push the power buttonā. All of the participants who had a bot like that took longer to turn it off, and some even rejected to turn it off alltogetherā¦
This doesnāt surprise me. Companion cubes, basically.
Portalās psychological aspects were insane.
And then when he appeared on TV I thought āYep of course a guy who believes a language model is sentient looks like a guy who has a waifu body pillowā