In case anyone doesn’t wanna wade through the terrible way notebookcheck presents information, I’ll post the numbers for CyberPunk High Preset at 1080P to give you an idea of the performance difference. Nothing particular about why I chose that game, it’s just the first I found that was on all 3 links:
RX7600M: 62.3 FPS
RX7600: 90.1 FPS
RX9060XT: 127.2 FPS
If we set the 7600M as 100%, then the 7600 and 9060XT are 144.6% and 204.1% respectively.
I think people believe the Steam Machine will be way faster and that’s why they’re coming up with these outrageous prices.
Spec wise I can get there around $688 on pc part picker. I would imagine valve could hit a lower price point with selling en masse. That being said if you take in the price point of how small it is that could add some extra cost.
With the same form factor, noise level, CEC, wake on USB, optimized sleep/resume?
Just having a set of component with similar performance on paper is not having the same device.
The final experience have to take into account all of that.
Sure it does, but that doesnt mean that you can’t make a comparison.
all those features may hold higher value than more ram.
The VRAM may actually be a deal breaker if you look at the trend of current games and how many games have problems with even modest settings especially at higher resolutions like they’ve said this will support.
It’s like comparing two cars looking only at the engine. Discarding of one has AC and the others don’t.
Not at all. Its comparing the engines understanding that they are obviously different, but selectively talking about one aspect. You can bring up the other aspects but its not unfair to make the comparison.
Maybe for a thinkerer that could be a sensible comparison but for a non thinkerer like myself now (I used to be) those features holds a lot of value.
This has nothing to do with tinkering and everything to do with if this can deliver a good value for money for any sizeable target market.
If it only applies to a small niche, it can’t be a successful product and wont do what they want it to do.
If it can’t adequately pass the baseline, its out of steam before the starter gun fires.
So what’s a PC with the same level of performance?
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine
CPU
Semi-custom AMD Zen 4 6C / 12T
up to 4.8 GHz, 30W TDP
GPU
Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3 28CUs
2.45GHz max sustained clock, 110W TDP
16GB DDR5 + 8GB GDDR6 VRAM
512GB NVMe SSD OR
2TB NVMe SSD
$1,000?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/698874/powerspec-g527-gaming-pc
That PC at microcenter is much faster than the Steam Machine.
Here’s some benchmarks for the 7600M, which has the exact same specs as the GPU in the Steam Machine:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-7600M-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.679303.0.html
Here’s some benchmarks for a 9060XT which is the GPU on your link:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-9060-XT-16GB-Benchmarks-and-Specs.1029097.0.html
And here’s some benchmarks for a desktop 7600 which is another card people are comparing the Steam Machine to:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-7600-Benchmarks-and-Specs.806213.0.html
In case anyone doesn’t wanna wade through the terrible way notebookcheck presents information, I’ll post the numbers for CyberPunk High Preset at 1080P to give you an idea of the performance difference. Nothing particular about why I chose that game, it’s just the first I found that was on all 3 links:
If we set the 7600M as 100%, then the 7600 and 9060XT are 144.6% and 204.1% respectively.
I think people believe the Steam Machine will be way faster and that’s why they’re coming up with these outrageous prices.
Spec wise I can get there around $688 on pc part picker. I would imagine valve could hit a lower price point with selling en masse. That being said if you take in the price point of how small it is that could add some extra cost.
With the same form factor, noise level, CEC, wake on USB, optimized sleep/resume? Just having a set of component with similar performance on paper is not having the same device.
It’s a bad comparison to make.
Its not a bad comparison to make at all when comparing price.
Small form factor is not a huge challenge for a computer using this little power.
As for the other features, no one is pretending its precisely the same device. Thats why its a comparison.
I really not agree here. The final experience have to take into account all of that.
If it’s a device I just want to plug toy tv and enjoy all those features may hold higher value than more ram.
It’s like comparing two cars looking only at the engine. Discarding of one has AC and the others don’t.
Maybe for a thinkerer that could be a sensible comparison but for a non thinkerer like myself now (I used to be) those features holds a lot of value.
Sure it does, but that doesnt mean that you can’t make a comparison.
The VRAM may actually be a deal breaker if you look at the trend of current games and how many games have problems with even modest settings especially at higher resolutions like they’ve said this will support.
Not at all. Its comparing the engines understanding that they are obviously different, but selectively talking about one aspect. You can bring up the other aspects but its not unfair to make the comparison.
This has nothing to do with tinkering and everything to do with if this can deliver a good value for money for any sizeable target market.
If it only applies to a small niche, it can’t be a successful product and wont do what they want it to do.
If it can’t adequately pass the baseline, its out of steam before the starter gun fires.