Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with “an organization like Hamas” involved.

“I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,” Sanders told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” Sunday.

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      Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

      1937 - Peel commission, rejected

      1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

      2000 - Camp David, rejected

      2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

      2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

      Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

      Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

      1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

      1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

      1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

      1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

      1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

      1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

      1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

      1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

      1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

      1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).

      1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

      2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

      2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

      2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

      2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

      2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

      2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

      Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.

      Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -

      None

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        That doesn’t sound right. One of those was stopped by an assassination. One was stopped by conservatives gaining power in Israel. One was stopped by a war between Fatah and Hamas.

        The PLO offered peace in 2010, 2012, 2013, and 2014 and were stopped by Israel.

        Many were stopped because of a Hamas attack or Israel refusing to stop taking West Bank territory.

        It seems like you were saying that because Palestine didn’t give in to Israel’s demands every time that it’s always their fault.

        This is from some quick research, though. Someone feel free to correct me.

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          The PLO offered peace in 2010, 2012, 2013, and 2014

          Yes, and it was all for shit because hamas threatened violence if any party thought about compromise. Aka. Exactly what i wrote.

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            Kind of, but not really. You were equating Hamas and all Palestinians together. They’re not all the same. Lots of Palestinians want peace, including ones that have been in governing positions. I’m glad you crossed out the one sentence that did that but you’ve still got this one:

            Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

            That’s a very ambiguous “they” up there and seems to refer to all Palestinians and not just Hamas.

            Hamas has been a great excuse to break off peace negotiations, though. I can see why Bibi propped them up to prevent a two state solution. It’s worked wonders, although hopefully the blowback of this past event takes him out of political life forever now.

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      This only leads to a North Korea situation where you end up in a cycle of appeasement, every time they make a threat or attack.