• Beetschnapps@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    No Iā€™m describing how the world was objectively better but no for everyone everywhere 8 years after a fucking meltdown.

    Youā€™re the one making excuses by justifying trump because specific legislation wasnā€™t passed.

    Youā€™re right, your chosen law wasnā€™t passed, at a time when roe v wade was considered ā€œsettled lawā€ alsoā€¦ THE PRESIDENT DOESNT WRITE NOR PASS BILLS. So blame congress not Hillary. Are you implying that if congress had enshrined abortion into law that Obama or Hillary wouldnā€™t sign that bill?

    Meanwhile they did pass the Ledbetter pay act. But fuck the whole democrat party right? So vote trump as an improvement? Do you hear how fucking stupid that sounds?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunking-the-myth-obamas_b_1929869 Obama had a super majority for less than 2 years out of 8. So why ignore that plus the fact that Obama doesnā€™t write or vote on billsā€¦ neither would Hillaryā€¦? Soā€¦ your precious ā€œstatus quoā€ is all their fault?

    ā€œ Itā€™s not good enoughā€ so you vote trump. THAT sounds like an excuse to me. I agree democrats could ALWAYS have done more, and ideally the democrat party would be a progressive utopia with highly aligned ideologiesā€¦

    But itā€™s not. No party has beenā€¦ so is that a reason to vote for trump? Itā€™s Hillaryā€™s fault?

    Again it sounds like youā€™re the one making excuses for choosing straight up ā€œdogshitā€ over Pepsi vs Coke. You know cause one president apparently didnā€™t remake the world in your image in 8 years post economic meltdownā€¦ these arenā€™t realistic or or even cognizant positions to hold.

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      I see youā€™ve learned nothing from 2016. Canā€™t wait for you to make the same mistake over and over again while telling everyone how much better their lives supposedly are and how stupid they are for not voting for yet another corporate stooge. Yeah, Obama did only have 2 years with a supermajority, probably because he immediately went back on his campaign promises, which was the point of the link I gave to that ā€œspecific legislationā€ that you dismissed so readily. That was just one of many campaign promises that Obama immediately went back on and obviously he suffered for it in the next election, but nah, forget learning lessons from that, right? Youā€™re too smart to learn lessons, itā€™s clearly the stupid votersā€™ fault for not coming out in droves to vote for someone breaking promises made and making no efforts to show that theyā€™re trying to fight for them.

      I didnā€™t vote for Trump, but I also canā€™t control how others vote. Itā€™s up to the politician to give voters a reason to vote. If they canā€™t do that then theyā€™ve failed at their job. Instead you think the smart move is to shame people into voting for someone who does little to show voters any benefit. Real smart. Again, the choice currently isnā€™t ā€œdogshit vs coke vs pepsiā€ itā€™s ā€œdogshit vs dogshit with corn in itā€.

      Funny how democrats can barely do anything in eight years but supposedly Trump brought on the apocalypse in only four. Have fun figuring out why republicans are so much more effective than spineless democrats. You obviously havenā€™t learned after all these years.

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        ā€œProbablyā€ why he lost a supermajority? Do you hear yourself?

        The link you provided showed the priorities of an administration that could not wave a wand and solve that problem, meanwhile greater problems (like the entire economy melting down) did exist so you split hairs about what could have been. Obama suffered so much from this ā€œstatus quoā€ that he got re-elected? Notice the link I sent showed you were recycling the same false talking points that Romney had, you know him, the guy that voters didnā€™t electā€¦

        Keep focusing on Obamaā€™s campaign promises while republicans make no promise beyond hurting people, so you achieve what? And thatā€™s Hillaryā€™s fault?

        I agree that the Democratic Party could do more to inspire voters, but voters are also responsible for whining about inspiration while fascism knock on their door. ā€œShameā€ is the label that idiots would give to excuse, to explain, their own BS while allowing others to pursue evil. If you think itā€™s Hillaryā€™s fault you deserve shame as much as you shirk involvement or understanding in the overall process.

        ā€œBreaking promisesā€ is a literal excuse. The type of excuse you accused me of making. The reality is that making the excuse of ā€œbreaking promisesā€ like youā€™re a jilted lover is a matter of interpretation such that anyone leveraging that crap is clearly absolving themselves of poor civic understanding. So now, we all suffer trump because of moronsā€™ understanding of ā€œstatus quoā€.

        Ike honestly I agree with you that democrats should have put forth a more compelling choice, but to say Hillary just isnā€™t compelling enough in the face of trump is really a statement of ignorance over civic involvement. Anyone who didnā€™t vote and let trump take the office should be just as ashamed as those who voted for fascism. They didnā€™t make the informed choice, nor did they make the right one. ā€œLearning from 2016ā€ shouldnā€™t mean running Hillary again, but itā€™s fucking stupid to think that ā€œlearning from 2016ā€ has to mean electing republicans ā€œbecause of my feelingsā€¦ā€

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          Calm down. I said ā€œprobablyā€ because failures canā€™t be pinned down to only one thing, but failure to deliver is a pretty damn major factor. You need to hear people other than yourself, because you keep talking about electing republicans when no one has suggested this is what we do. Itā€™s all in your head. If you want to keep insisting that ā€œeverything was fineā€ and that shaming voters into voting will win elections, then I donā€™t know what to say other than that you should learn how to gain voters because that ainā€™t it.

          Donā€™t forget than Hillaryā€™s team made the ingenious move of doing what they could to make Trump the republican nominee: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

          So yeah, stop shaming and blaming others when the drooling morons running the democratic party make the stupidest moves at every opportunity and refuse to operate any differently because theyā€™re ā€œtHe mOsT qUaLiFiEd EvErā€ and ā€œtHe StAtUs QuO iS fInEā€ and ā€œwE nEeD tO rEaCh AcRoSs ThE aIsLeā€ and ā€œmUh dEcOrUmā€.

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            Ok letā€™s make this as simple and no-caps as you can handleā€¦

            You are citing ā€œa failure to deliverā€ as an excuse. Remember that excuses are what you tried to place on others. While also saying shit is too hard for you to pin down? Again you said ā€œprobablyā€

            In a 2 party system you keep acting like there is a 3rd way that doesnā€™t equate to fascism. You call the democrats drooling moronsā€¦ meanwhile republicans canā€™t even elect a speaker. So you ignore the alternative in every chance, and it just so happens that it means you get to demean democrats. Iā€™m not sure why you ignore the political cause of most every problem you cite, but it always seems to add up to you pissing on democratsā€¦

            That just shows everyone the limits of you and and your ā€œargumentā€. You never once get to the source of your problems while assigning blame to one party and one party only. In any reply youā€™ve offered so far have you ever explained how republicans could possibly share blame? Spoiler alert! - no you have not in any comment or reply.

            So because this is BSā€¦ I should probably ignore itā€¦ but here the internet isā€¦ with you acting like other people are ā€œbackwardsā€.