Noya Dan, who had autism, was taken along with her grandmother Carmela on October 7.

The 12-year-old Israeli girl whose “Harry Potter”-inspired photo went viral after she was kidnapped by Hamas has been found dead alongside her grandmother in Gaza.

  • Cleverdawny@lemm.eeEnglish
    2921·
    1 year ago

    Hamas started the war and hid in cities, trying to make sure enough civilians were around that Israel had trouble retaliating after they launched their rockets at civilians. They’re genocidal terrorists who are religious fanatics. I’m gonna blame them for their hostage dying. If you aren’t, that’s a you problem.

      • Cleverdawny@lemm.eeEnglish
        2415·
        1 year ago

        You can either insist there’s been a consistent conflict since 1948, which was started by the Arabs, or you can mark the beginning of the current conflict at the massive terrorism attack by Hamas this year. Take your pick.

        • P1r4nha@feddit.deEnglish
          911·
          1 year ago

          But acting like Israel’s carpet bombing of Gaza is like a force of nature is weird as well, no? The way you say it, it sounds like Hamas took the hostages into the path of a Hurricane. Was it so clear to everyone that Israel wouldn’t give a shit about the hostages and would be bombing Gaza indiscriminately?

          • Cleverdawny@lemm.eeEnglish
            1411·
            1 year ago

            If Israel was carpet bombing Gaza, we would have a million dead civilians now. I don’t know why y’all need to make shit up.

            • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
              911·
              1 year ago

              There’s more than 3.5k palestine death caused by israeli indiscriminately bombing. Having less than what you expect doesn’t make them any hero

              • kurwa@lemmy.worldEnglish
                94·
                1 year ago

                I love how no one in this thread cares about all the Palestinian children that died in those bombings, and probably still more are dying. None of these killings are justified, it’s all horrible. The only thing we should be considering is peace, but I see barely any of you doing that. (If it wasn’t obvious, I’m not directing this message towards you, just all of the down voting losers)

                  • kurwa@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    52·
                    1 year ago

                    Yep, and they keep down voting because they don’t have any real tangible arguments to make.

                • Cleverdawny@lemm.eeEnglish
                  26·
                  1 year ago

                  I do care about both the Palestinian and Israeli victims of Hamas’s actions. I’m just blaming the party responsible.

                  • kurwa@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    53·
                    1 year ago

                    The Israeli government keeps Palestinians in an open air prison, turning on and off their utilities and their trade routes at will. Anyone would retaliate against those conditions. And then they punish all Palestinians by tossing bombs at them with no regard to who’s under them.

              • avater@lemmy.worldEnglish
                166·
                1 year ago

                Why are you guys never coming up with a source that shows the opposite? Who started this war in your opinion? Was it Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan? Because they sure as shit startet a war one day after Israel was declared a state in this region.

                On 14 May 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, declared “the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.”[167][168] The only reference in the text of the Declaration to the borders of the new state is the use of the term Eretz-Israel (“Land of Israel”).[169] The following day, the armies of four Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq—entered into parts of what had been British Mandatory Palestine, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War;[170][171][172] contingents from Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan joined the war.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

                And this pretty much looks like Israel likely did not start this war or this conflict and had to fight for their existence from day one. I’m not saying that everything they’re doing is acceptable or that they are not fueling this war too, but I pretty much understand that they are in a life or death situation since from the very beginning.

                And to all possible Downvoters: instead of just downvoting me, please try to explain the issues with my conclusion or come up with some other sources if I missed something.

                • TokenBoomer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  32·
                  1 year ago

                  Try rereading history from a non-western perspective so you can put yourself in a Palestinian’s shoes. As Israel was established, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled against their will. Villages were massacred and burned. Source. Why does it matter who started the war? Israel, as it was established, should have never happened the way it did. A minority population should never be given more land than the majority. Jews could have been given land in Palestine and coexisted, but the west and the UN were hellbent on creating a state of Israel.

                  • avater@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    32·
                    1 year ago

                    But they did create the state and Israel exists and part of the Nakba happend also after the war that took more land of them because Israel won, what I find quite understandable.

                    And I would also say that they all had enough time to fucking accept it and move on, most certainly better then to throw generations in war about the Middle East…

                  • kurwa@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    82·
                    1 year ago

                    Who is pro hamas? No one is. However people are anti-genocide, mainly the Palestinian genocide happening right now. Sane people just want peace.