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    I never said they do. I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system when the first priority should be to steady the ship. You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat. Fixing things requires a certain level of stability.

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      Liberals have had over eight years to steady the ship, and they’ve spent that time alienating marginalized people and progressives and going farther and farther right with afaik no real resistance to trump. They’ve spent those eight years proving that we can’t trust them at all to stop fascism or repair its damage. We should probably be pushing progressive democrats to start a new party with other more left people (though I’d fully expect republicans and the remaining democrats to team up and destroy their campaign so idk)

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        Just in that one comment alone you’ve mentioned the liberals, the marginalised, the progressives, the fascists, the republicans, and the democrats. And that’s why I’m apprehensive that adding another noun in that list is going to make things better… the left needs to consolidate to a new centre for the left, not fracture into another direction that delays consolidation further.

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      “I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system”

      how do you contend encouraging political stability overhauling the system?

      "the first priority should be to steady the ship.

      steadying the ship is literally what this protest is about, providing stability while the executive branch is trying to conquer and invalidate the judicial and legislative.branches.

      “You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat.”

      yes you can. That’s what SOS calls, bilge pumps, pontoons, tar, patches and welds are for, to fix problens on boats.

      you’re advocating to give up and sink when you can repair things.

      ridiculous.

      “Fixing things requires a certain level of stability.”

      the necessary level of stability is far below what you clearly misunderstand.

      We have that stability, what we need is political, legal and judicial actions liked the ones happening every day now fighting against the executive branch.

      The literal nationwide protests by tens of thousands of citizens, judges, politicians and lawyers constitute that saving grace.

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        Be me

        Paramedic

        Patient is very sick, circling the drain

        Oh God oh fuck I can’t treat them and stabilize them, they’re unstable

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          this article is literally about Bernie Sanders and AOC, the exact opposite force of trump.

          you have the paragons you desire and insist you won’t support because of the color of their shirts.

          too many Americans are such laxy defeatists.

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              you being ignorant of the concepts behind the buzzwords you are blindly repeating reflects poorly on your own lack of understanding, not that of others.

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                Harris is better than Trump. But they will never give you freedom, they don’t want to. You need something more radical, someone who will shove welfare straight up GOP’s ass, and who will say “Yes, we are those monsters that we say we are, the boogeymen you tell your children about”. And then, simply assert themselves.

                You need a true radical left, one that will tear down everything conservatives find sacred, instead of playing gently with them.

                Then, and ONLY then, will things change.

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                  “Harris is better than Trump.”

                  …it’s demeaning to Harris to say she’s better than a rapist. most violent drug addicts are better than a rapist.

                  “But they will never give you freedom, they don’t want to.”

                  I mean, ridiculous.

                  I know, it’s a cool meme right now, but totally ridiculous.

                  “You need something more radical”

                  no one brought up Harris until you did .

                  I’m backing AOC and Bernie; if you don’t recognize their radical political nature, you do not understand the first word of what you’re talking about.

                  which, I suppose, evident here:

                  “Then, and ONLY then, will things change.”

                  things are changing right now, it sucks. you don’t need things to change, you need things to get better. stop looking for radical Solutions when AOC and Bernie are telling you the very normal everyday solutions that take a lot of work to get done.

                  those solutions work, those Solutions are better education funding, universal healthcare, money out of politics.

                  it’s not fun or a good meme, but those are the real answers and you have two people who are telling you what to do and how to do it if you really care about making things better.

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                    I didn’t say not to back AOC and Bernie, they are exactly what I meant. There you go into combat mode like a bot. Once you are convinced that someone is on the “other” side, you just start hallucinating things about them, unable to turn off your combat mode.

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      So when is the time? The midterms? The presidential election?

      Reforming the democrats in four easy steps:

      1. Now’s not the time

      2. Not this year

      3. This is really a bad time, okay?

      4. Definitely not this year, are you crazy?