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The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).
The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.
The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.
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US looking to destabilise and destroy a democratically formed group / nation state for their own interests? Shocker.
The American Heritage Foundation needs to pound sand.
They need to be put on a terrorist watch list.
Sounds like an act of war
I really think any countries which may try to leave the eu should think about how well that went for Britan.
They reallllllllllllly hate unions
Hi, question: how many people here first checked credibility of the media involved? Don’t worry, they seem legit, I am really just wondering because I quite recently found out that not many people really checks the sources when news like this appear. Please vote: “I checked” = upvote, “I didn’t check” = downvote. Thank you.
I just came to shit on the Heritage Foundation, regardless of the veracity of the headline. Can I stay?
It’s not the first and it’s not going to be the last.
Most EU members are small and easy to bully for a country the size of the US if on their own (and in fact many were bullied by the US before becoming EU members) and even the mid-sized ones could be pushed around, but a block of 470 million people with a larger GDP than the US cannot be pushed around just like that, so it’s absolutely in the best interests of the elites which control the US and a very large fraction of its Economy (and hence stand to gain the most from any bullying by the US of other nations) to want to dismantle any association of small and middle sized countries that makes them capable of dealing with the US as equals.
Why do you think it was wealthy Americans who funded the Leave side of the Leave Referendum in Britain (for example, by paying Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to manipulate people into voting Leave)?! It’s just that, no doubt to their great disappointment, removing Britain from the EU did not significantly weaken the EU, only Britain, and they already had vast influence in British politics so don’t really gain much from Britain leaving the herd to go out all on its own.
shit like this reminds me how much I love the EU
Ugh I’m so sick of these Heritage assholes. There’s needs to be an American progressive counter organization.
Oops, all fed boi honeypots!
The Heritage Foundation is a treasonous organization. They need to be stopped. I fail to understand how Project 2025 isn’t outright sedition, and it should’ve been treated that way by Biden.
It’s been clear to anyone who read it that P2025 planned to dismantle the government and shred the constitution. If they were left leaning, the FBI would’ve been so far up the Heritage Foundation’s ass, they would’ve been looking through their eyes like a Scooby doo painting.
It’s the whole “they go low, we go high” mantra of liberals.
While in reality they’re going nowhere but the hotel bar.
Alright guys, it’s time to roll out the guillotines again
I hear certain parts of the European Union can teach us a thing or two about those!
This is America, sniper rifles would be more useful.
They already tried that. We forgot about that guy because a much more attractive shooter caught our attention.
Nah, we all know that was obviously staged.
Besides, I’m not talking about one dumb kid who doesnt know how to shoot, I’m talking about Patriots stalking MAGA Nazis all over the country, and making them worry that every time they step out of their house, they have to worry that there’s a sniper on a roof or in the distant tree line. They’re all abject cowards; how devoted to the cause will they be if they know that being an elected MAGANazi carries a potential death sentence?
I mean, I’d believe that it was staged now, but what about the spectator that died? Collatoral damage? (I mean that seriously btw.)
You think they care that people were killed and injured? That only sells the hoax more. I’m sure those pyschopaths feel that he died heroically, helping get HitlerPig reelected.
It’s also why they seldom bring it up. If anyone decides to look too close, there will be a lot of murder and conspiracy charges to go around.
I think America needs an American solution for this American problem
A guillotine made of… guns
No worries, you can have Made in America™️ guillotines
Freedomtines
Seriously, how are these clowns getting away with having workshops? They need to be scared for their lives
There are huge protests in Serbia, that last several months. Did the people in power went down? No. People literally need to eat grass to say fuck this shit.
They largely own the police. Is going to taken overwhelming opposition, which is difficult to organize quickly effectively.
No tolerance for intolerance
ok so let’s do these quickly:
- declare the AfD unconstitutional in Germany
- make Marine Le Pen ineligible in France
- destitute Viktor Orban in Hungary
Great plan! I’ll tell all my EU family to vote for you—haha
I like this list. Should have been done already. Especially Le Pen and Orban—they have been on our radar for so long it’s absurd how they’ve been allowed to fester. AfD needs to go. I also am extremely skeptical and have my eye on Sahra Wagenknecht with her praise of Putin.
Sovereign countries have the right to remain sovereign and defend against foreign and domestic interlopers who wish to end their sovereignty. I’m rooting for you and if I gets bad enough I hope I can be allowed to lend myself to your fight.
ha <3 keep your vote for someone more competent than me, you’ll find me on the barricades but not in the parliament :-)
Wagenknecht belongs to these people who believe that appeasement works with the extreme right. You give them what they want and they’ll be happy, they’ll keep their word and you’ll be safe. Yes of course you had to sacrifice a few marginalized people on the way, but that’s a fair price to pay for peace, right? RIGHT? oh shit, now the leopard is also eating MY face. 😱🙀
Romania already banned its fascist candidate. The others should do the same
- All the others like-minded installed puppets by or via RF/CCP & Co.
( remember the Huawei case in Belgium) and Chinese Police Station in Europe)
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absolutely, the list can be expanded as much as needed! thank you for the links :)
I just had to follow your example,)
.4. Shoot Geert Wilders and the rest of the pvv.
Isn’t he the “We Heeben een serrious probleem” guy?
The rest of the pvv? Geert is the only member. Killing him ends the pvv as a whole.
We need to set examples.
The US wants to add the US to this list United States involvement in regime change. They are not our friends!
I am truly, honestly and in all seriousness scared. I have already sought professional help, have my First Session tomorrow but i must say… The Things that Happen These days worry me to a Point where i am truly afraid of the Future.
You’re not allowed to go out alone. At least take a few Nazis with you.
Ive never been more worried in my life. Not for myself so much, I’m older so i won’t have to live that long in their authoritarian future. I’m extremely worried about my 25 year old son, and my 3 year old niece. This will be their world.
It is really affecting my son, who is losing hope, and so are his friends. They don’t see a future of freedom and pride in their country. My son made friends from all over the world when he was in college, and even they are worried about the future of the world with a Nazi regime in America.
If there isn’t a Musk file on me yet, there will be, and eventually the list will reach my name. I’ve been thinking about what would radicalize me beyond propagandizing on Lemmy (now that im permabanned from Vichy Reddit after 12 years and nearly a million karma for anti-Trump posts), and all patriotic, loyal Americans should be thinking about it, too. I have to stick around as long as possible for my wife and son, but if something were to happen to them, especially my son, then I’ve got nothing to lose, and it’s on, and i go full on guerilla warfare.
No more doomscrolling for you. Spend time with real people face to face, and you’ll feel the difference within a week.
Head-in-the-sand strategies wont work, you’ll just pull your head out to a worse situation. It’s better to learn to put your fear and anxiety to use, keeping the treason of these Nazis in front of the entire world. Make them know how despised they are in decreasing polls. Resist everything they are doing, and encourage your friends. Apply Malicious Compliance wherever possible. Keep the pressure on your government officials. Recent town halls for both Republicans and Democrats have been heavily attended by EXTREMELY angry citizens. They need to know how angry we are, and how immensely outnumbered they are.
Lean into your worrying, transform it into anger, and let that fuel your resistance.
If the situation really is that bad, you’ll hear about it without any doomscrolling. If you don’t come across a topic in normal casual conversations or by reading papers in a library, it’s probably not actually that urgent.
There’s so much unnecessary doom and gloom floating around on mainstream social medias that I can’t really consider them a healthy option for news consumption.
My dear pool noodle do you pay any attention at all?
I AM hearing about it without doomscrolling. Do you watch ANY news, or any other media?
This isn’t just Liberal propaganda, these people are really dismantling our government at a record pace, and they are deliberately doing it recklessly to cause the most chaos. Not only can we NOT avoid it, we SHOULDNT avoid it. We need to turn our fears and worries into white-hot anger at what these MAGATurd Nazis are doing to our nation, and the world.
It’s serious, so you should act accordingly. Stay strong. Just participate and influence your future. Use whatever means you are comfortable with.
This is such a privileged take. And I know because I’m also privileged. I’m a straight, white, cis, male. I grew up in an Evangelical Christian home, and could pretend to be Christian if needed (though I won’t). You and I are lucky enough to be able to ignore this until we “hear about it without doomscrolling.”
Like you do realize that this means that you’ll hear about it when shit is really fucking bad. I guess fuck trans people, right? Wouldn’t want to hurt my mental health to hear about the literal genocide that’s coming.
If you allow minorities to be oppressed, it will eventually lead to the oppression of larger minorities. Eventually, they’ll also find a reason to come after you as well. Maybe it’s the freckles, or pizza toppings or political opinions. Either way, oppression has a tendency to expand.
I understand where it comes from, but I think this is just bad advice. We cannot encourage people to ignore what is happening.
There are healthier ways to stay informed. Doomscrolling has a tendency to cause intense emotions that probably aren’t very helpful during a time when staying focused is important. People shouldn’t ignore what’s happening. Instead, they should try to fix the problem. Unnecessary anxiety and fear is just counterproductive.
Yes, they want you like that, like a scared little middle class, who just wants to work for a corporation, watch some sports and go skiing.
I can relate for sure. Not to the same degree as you, from what it sounds like, but definitely very worried for the future.
That said, I do believe Europe is more resilient than the US here. And while that has been my main pain point with the EU for a long time, the fact that it’s not very democratic might make it even more resilient to fascist take-over.
Stay strong! I hope the help makes you feel better. We will prevail
They are all talk and no action. Don’t worry.
They haven’t been able to properly implant a tariff and that’s the simplest thing in the world.
All bark and no bite?
Did you see the clips of “Venezuelan gang members” being shipped to El Salvador, who was happy to accept them? In the past few years i saw photos and videos of Russian prisoners and Chinese Uyghurs treated exactly the same way, with outage from the Western media and officials. Now were doing it, too. Instead of seeing those reports as a cautionary tale, MAGA Traitors saw them as a game plan.
People like Kapo Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller and Steve “Unwiped Asshole” Bannon want to treat their American citizen enemies the same way, and worse. Miller has said that he wants to reduce the population of America to 100 million, from its current population of 330 million. How do you think a Nazi loving freak like him intends to reduce the population by 70%?
Viciously barking dogs are often vicious biters as well. When a dog is barking, its best to heed the warning.
Pretty sure the USA have been doing extraditions and puting prisoners in off-site camps (Guantanamo anyone?) since long before trump.
Sure they have, i remember the 9/11 aftermath, and Abu Ghraib, very well. But we didnt brag about it, we didnt prepare video packages to be distributed to the news media. They knew what they were doing was inhumane and they tried to hide it. They werent PROUD of it, like these MAGANazis.
Also, there is a huge difference in what happened before, and what they are planning for in the future. America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Our maximum security prisons average around 800-1200 inmates. The largest, in Angola, LA holds about 8300.
Guantanamo Bay holds less than 150, but they are currently building a facility there that will hold 30,000 people, almost 4 times larger than our largest maximum security prison, which itself is about 4 times larger than average.
Clearly they are planning to house an enormous number of people in a facility in CUBA, which is under the purview of the Russians, and outside the view of the courts and the media. Why would they need a facility to hold 30,000 people if they are going to deport them all? It seems like a place that large will be used for long-term detainment, and what’s the point of that for illegals? They’ll just get sent home. More and more, we are seeing lightning fast deportations, and it becomes clear that these cells will be holding political enemies who have broken Trump’s new Executive Orders.
2 days ago, he did a formal, scheduled media appearance with his AG Bondi, in which he very clearly stated that he will be going after the people who investigated his ties to Russia, the Insurrection, the Stolen Documents, etc., he specifically said that they “belong in prison.”
When a President takes the time to make a formal announcement to the media, with his AG at his side, that is NOT simple political rhetoric, nor partisan gamesmanship. It is the announcement of a new policy, and he just announced that he intends to imprison his political enemies.
They’ve already arrested that Palestinian activest from Columbia U, who literally broke no laws, who has a green card, is married to an American who is 8 months pregnant, and they won’t let him see a lawyer. They are testing the waters by muddying his case up with undocumented migrants. If nobody speaks up much, then they’ll move to the next level, and start rounding up American dissidents. You can bet that they going over case files right now, looking for the best test candidates to detain.
Bottom line is that the difference between the past and now is that in the past they were disappearing foreign terrorists. Now they intend on disappearing American citizens, and a LOT of them.
“The Trump administration’s most influential think tank, The Heritage Foundation, is receiving proposals from illiberal forces in Poland and Hungary” This part is very interesting. Are we assuming these groups are just excuses for their own agenda, or would this even be up for discussion had they not received the proposals? Something else?
The ”everything is a russian conspiracy” theory seems more plausible every day…
Because it is. And everybody denying it is a complete idiot.
If you think everything that’s happening in Europe and the US is perpetrated by the Russians, that’s honestly more of an easy way of pretending an ‘other’ outside of the country is responsible, not anyone in the country itself.
Wilders, despite also supporting Russia, is a 100% Dutch phenomenon (starting with Fortuyn at least). These types will use any power they have to attain as much power as they can get; in the Netherlands (with the Dutch electoral system), that’s a bit more difficult than in Hungary. To attain more power, it’s a good idea to have some scapegoat you can make people scared of and rail against constantly: muslims, asylum seekers, recently trans folks. You don’t need ‘Russia’ to explain these authoritarian attacks on minorities.
It’s a form of scapegoating itself, actually, despite there still actually being truth to Russian disinformation and destabilisation campaigns, of course. At the same time, it overinflates Russian abilities, though Romania is worrying.
I disagree with the ‘Russian conspiracy’ nonsense anyway, especially when it comes to Trump. I suppose that makes me ‘a complete idiot’.
Putin’s control over Trump, Musk, and entire world-wide rise of the far-right is well-established, with the evidence in the wide open. Trump and Musk had numerous personal meetings with Putin during the Biden administration, and it is clear the these two FOREIGN Sociopathic Oligarchs with no loyalty or patriotism to America, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history. They dont see the potential for greatness and morality that America has always promised, they only see a rich, fat, lazy nation that will be easy to exploit for their own personal benefits.
Putin and Russia are obviously behind all of this, and denying it will only make it easier for them to progress further, and eventually succeed.
To be honest, the entire idea that you could use a loose cannon like Trump as an agent is pretty stupid by itself. The man doesn’t have a clue in the morning what he’ll be saying in the evening. The ‘evidence’ is one guy, as far as I’ve gathered, but feel free to make the case.
Outside of ‘the evil Russians rule the world’, there are plenty of reasons for the way Trump is acting. I think what we’re seeing is more a return (or an attempted return, anyway) of 19th/early 20th century thinking in spheres of influence, where Trump thinks it’s alright that Russia ‘gets’ Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence, if America gets Canada and Greenland. Whether it’ll actually work this way is another question, of course (I have doubts that it will). We don’t know how Trumps presidency will develop in the end, though. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump actually will end up getting mad at Putin if he doesn’t play by his rules.
Note that I’m not denying Russia attempts to disrupt western political processes, just that they are so murderously successful to even have an American president as their puppet. That the US has elected such an idiot president, is entirely their own fault (as is Wilders in the Netherlands).
The point is to destabilise. And a grandiose idiot like trump is very useful indeed on that front.
You don’t understand Putin’s strategy. Controlling America would be great, but he doesn’t have to control it, he just has to throw it into chaos, so that its outsized influence in the world is destroyed. Then they can establish a new world order in which Sociopathic Oligarchs run the world instead nations. If they succeed, every Sociopathic Oligarch becomes his own little King, free from the restrictions of his nation’s laws. That’s why every billionaire is on board, and why we should prohibit billionaires, if we even survive this.
In 1997, Alexander Dugin published Foundations in Geopolitics, which has become the Russian playbook. It is taught at the Russian Officer’s School, and Putin keeps a copy in his office. Dugin is a highly influential advisor to Putin. His daughter rose to be an extremely influential member of the Russian Intelligence agency. She was killed by a car bomb few years ago, which as meant for her father, who was saved when he went back to retrieve his umbrella.
Foundations of Geopolitics describes how Russia can become the dominant world influence without firing a shot. Each geographical region of the world has its own plan. For America, the plan is:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instabilty and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke “Afro-American racists” to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic conflict, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements - extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.
Sound familiar? It perfectly describes the growing divisions in this country in the 21st century. How can you call this a coincidence?
Of particular interest is the very first line: “Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States…” What does that mean? What “special forces” had Russia planted in America in 1997, when this book was published. We now know that the FBI was aware of Russian moles in America as early as 2000, but these people were quietly placed in sensitive positions to get access to information. They weren’t the kind of “special forces” intended to sow chaos.
OTOH, Trump was a friend to the Russians since 1987, when he visited SOVIET Russia, and was given the designation Agent Krasnov. Soon after that visit, he began parroting Russian propaganda talking points and laundering money for Russian Oligarchs/Mobsters. It is likely that Agent Krasnov was at least one of the “special forces” referred to.
Now he is president again, and this time he came into office prepared with a plan - Project 2025. Our government is being systematically and recklessly dismantled, and we are quickly careening toward chaos. The day the first Social Security payment is missed, which will be soon, America will come apart at the seams.
It all fits the plan for America in The Foundation of Geopolitics. We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump’s orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump’s connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?
Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.
Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.
You need to talk to people in a less condescending manner. I explicitly asked for more information (‘feel free to make the case’) and laid out an alternative explanation, there’s nothing ‘uncritical’ about that. I haven’t a clue what ‘Google-Fu’ is supposed to mean. I get my information from reputable Dutch and German newspapers.
How can you call this a coincidence?
You’re putting words in my mouth, but I will believe current developments in the US are the result of the Russians if a causative relationship has been established.
Again, I don’t doubt these are the aims of the Russian government, but Russian campaigns are probably fuelling processes that were going on in the US anyway. In the Netherlands, Russians don’t really need to do anything as indigenous racist elements like Wilders have it easy enough as is to harnass these underlying discomforts with ‘the other’, whatever form they may take. Attacks against Turkish immigrants (‘guest workers’) happened in the seventies, there always was an underlying current.
This is all of a completely different order than the claim I’ve been hearing often, that Trump is a literal Putin agent, and I don’t buy it. The agent Krasnov claim came from one guy, as far as I know. Not very convincing, but this what I was actually referring to when I said ‘feel free to make a case’, as I haven’t found this to be very convincing - and I especially haven’t seen convincing evidence.
We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump’s orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump’s connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?
I didn’t, as I’m Dutch and I dislike following American news. I’ve heard it indeed seems to be the case that Russian narratives work well in the Trump camp. Still, I’m quite sure that if Russia starts following a foreign policy that isn’t compatible with what the Trump camp wants, they’ll drop them as quickly as they did Europe.
Well I made my case. You admit you don’t follow American news closely, and much of your opinion is based on your own speculation.
While one ex-KGB agent recently revealed Trump’s code name, numerous Russians have described a long pattern of manipulation of Trump, starting with his well-documented trip to Russia in 1987.
You keep insisting that your perspective that there is little Russian influence on Trump and others in his administration is simply contradicted by actual facts.
Google-Fu is an American idiom for being proficient with Google searches (derived from Kung Fu).
As for being condescending, as an American whose name will probably appear on the MAGANazi detainment lists at some point, I don’t have any patience for people who are downplaying Trump’s breath-taking treason, and I won’t apologize for it.
I look at Trump having meetings with Putin where none of Trump’s advisors were allowed to attend, no transcripts were published, and I think they even used only Russian translators.
So either Trump is controlling Putin, or Putin is controlling Trump. I know which way to bet.
I look at Trump barely being able to utter a coherent English sentence, and I doubt he could control even himself.
It’s both. Dividing western societies is the declared foreign policy goal in Russia. Working with right-wing demagogues is the most effective way to achieve this. That doesn’t mean said demagogues wouldn’t be a problem otherwise, but it’s definitely being amplified.
That’s pretty much my view. The extreme right in Europe and the US also forms a collaborative network itself, though, with events like CPAC. I’d be more afraid of the US than of Russia, honestly.
For the past 10 years would I have to disagree. US conservatives didn’t give much of a shit about what was going on in Europe, while Putin scored many wins strategically working with right-wing groups throughout Europe, culminating in Brexit, and no doubt setting the stage for the invasion of Ukraine. (Which was supposed to be over within a day by toppling the “nazi” government in Kyiv, let’s not forget.)
For the future, we’ll see. This is definitely a worrying development. It seems half of the US political establishment and about a third of the populace is determined to treat us as enemies simply because it fits their internal propaganda, no matter how much damage it does to US foreign policy. This means that bargaining is useless, and it seems at least that most European governments have internalized this, even though they may hope this state of affairs will pass.
I mean a lot of things are. Russia definitely wants to destabilize the west as much as possible. But like, not literally everything that Russia could do and would benefit them is actually done by them. We gotta focus on the big picture and not get lost in the weeds of, for example, whether Russia is to blame for the Smolensk air disaster, or every single Baltic underwater cable break in the past 2 years.
