that still doesn’t explain why the west should get involved here.

For humanitarian and because most of the origins of this crisis are Western-caused.

What would we even do?

for starters suspend sanctions, at least partially, so international aid, funding and expertise can enter the country. Then fund projects that could help avert the crisis.

“Several planned initiatives, including projects for artificial groundwater recharge, were suspended following the Taliban takeover,” Mayar pointed out. “Sanctions continue to restrict organisations and donors from funding and implementing essential water-related projects in Afghanistan,” he said.

Sadid pointed out one example: An Awater supply project -funded by the German Development bank KfW, along with European agencies – could have supplied 44 billion litres (11 billion gallons) of water annually to parts of Kabul from Logar aquifers.

“But currently this project has been suspended,” he said, even though two-thirds of the initiative was already completed when the government of former President Ashraf Ghani collapsed in 2021.

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“Sanctions restrict Afghanistan’s access to essential resources, technology, and funding needed for water infrastructure development and maintenance,” he said. This, in turn, reduces agricultural productivity, and increases hunger and economic hardship, forcing communities to migrate, he warned.

In the first place the sanctions on Afghanistan are only going to be counterproductive. The people of Afghanistan need to develop economically before they can have political ambitions; the longer they’re kept in poverty the longer the Taliban will remain in power.

Reading the article, it seems capitalism is the cause rather than imperialism past or present.

Can you quote the part of the article that made you think so? Edit: Found it, but that’s presented in the article as a secondary cause. Because the main causes cited in the article are climate change, the impact of the war and sanctions, but that aside;

As we’ve seen these past few years, the Taliban obviously have no idea how to run a country. They would’ve never lasted as long as they have in peacetime; it was the US invasion that sustained them all these years. Without that they’d have either grown into a competent-ish government in time to tackle the current crisis or been overthrown by a more competent faction. They also had real military opposition in the form of the North Afghanistan Alliance, which was coopted and ran into the ground by the West following the invasion, so now the Taliban are governing unopposed during a time of crisis that requires a competent and timely response. The US invasion stole 20 years from Afghanistan where they could’ve otherwise started to get their bearings as a modern state. And also, as the article states, Kabul’s population only got this big as a result of the war making the countryside less safe.

Climate change?

Uh… Yeah, bombing weddings day in and day out didn’t endear the West much to Afghans. How is that a surprise? Had Afghanistan not been invaded by America and co. in 2001, they’d have had 25 years od government experience to deal with this crisis, so Western imperialism is to blame for this.

Replace “Roma” with “black” and “Romania and Slovakia” with “America” and see how that works out. The current state of Roma people is the collective responsibility of European societies. I mean you said “enclave” but let’s call a spade a spade, those are ghettoes. You’re putting these people in ghettoes and complaining that their ghettoes are dangerous. The point being: White Europe broke Roma society, now fix it.

What the fuck Putin?

Keep fighting the good fight, man. I’ve given up on getting Lemmy atheists to abandon any but the most insane of positions (and even then they dig in their heels half the time).

Imagine judging all organized religions using Mormons out of all people as your basis.

Now is probably a good time to point out that killing an enemy soldier who’s not actively fighting or acting in their capacity as a soldier (such as, say, one who is getting a drink at a cafe) is still a war crime. Otherwise Palestinians would have the right to kill pretty much every adult in Israel.

No one cares now, but they would be made to care after being blasted with “Parliament votes against considering neo Nazi groups terrorists” headlines 24/7. That was the stick here. I’d still have liked them to take a stand, but this was a pretty coercive tactic.

Oh right. Dammit English.

It also gives the ruling regime legitimacy because it allows them to paint themselves as anti-imperialists defending their people from aggression.

Okay? They used the knowledge they had at the time to resolve a minor edge case in a way that doesn’t lead to out of touch scholars playing with people’s lives. Since we know the basis of their decision to be decisively false, this conclusion can be safely rejected (unless one accepts the other argument, stated literally in the next sentence: “They also argue that the woman may have been forced or coerced”).

I haven’t met any so I have no idea, but usually they don’t even appeal to religion; it’s all “honor,” as they take it as axiomatic that destroying the family’s honor warrants death. I don’t think any more thought goes into it, but again it’s not like I know any of these barbarians. Also do note that this is a thing in many non-Muslim societies (surprisingly including Southern Europe in the past) and conspicuously not a thing in quite a few Muslim societies, and in Muslim societies where it happens it’s committed by non-Muslims too. Here’s Wikipedia on the topic:

Though it may seem in a modern context that honor killings are tied to certain religious traditions, the data does not support this claim.[95][93] Research in Jordan found that teenagers who strongly endorsed honor killings in fact did not come from more religious households than teens who rejected it.

Also one “fun” fact I learned while looking things up for this conversation is that apparently laws providing leniency or amnesty for honor killings in the Middle East were implemented or inspired by the French. This shit goes way deeper than which god the perpetrator worships.

I mean, yes, because people are horrible and culture has a way of trumping religion. “Honor” killings are a thing in the Middle East and South Asia to varying degrees and I hate it, but Islam is—if anything—a restraining force on such actions and a framework within which people who commit them can be punished.

but anyway, the influence is there, the belief that this is so immoral that is punishable by death it is there too.

Again, this is a cultural practice, not religious. There’s no “influence” here because this was already a thing and remains a thing regardless of religion. Edit: Also “existing in the same space as a guy” is too much of a stretch from “vaginal sex while married meeting a strict burden of proof” for this idea to make much sense.

And the fact that nowadays this practice is so extended in this particular religion is another thing.

Not exactly, no. It’s a thing in India and Nepal too, and conspicuously not a thing in Muslim Southeast Asia, for example. You’re looking at the previously-tribal societies of the Middle East and South Asia, Muslim or not. In the past this included some European countries too, like Albania, Italy and France, and the latter specifically spread laws providing for leniency in punishing honor killings all over the world. To quote Wikipedia:

Further, while honor killings are common in Muslim countries like Pakistan,[citation needed] it is a practically unknown practice in other countries, such as Indonesia, Bangladesh (despite happening in some of its diasporas), Senegal, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. This fact supports the idea that honor killings are to do with society culture rather than religion.

Because that’s the only case in which sexual conduct warrants death in Islam. As for the rest it’s straight up not a thing. As I said Islam pretty explicitly states that cases such as the woman in the article aren’t to be punished by death. The punishment is lashing if you can meet the (again, nearly impossible) standard of proof.

They’re not called honor killings in Islam; you’re looking for hudood for the general category including punishment for illegal sexual conduct (known as Zina). The latter article has the rules you’re asking for.

According to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, over 470 cases of honour killings were reported in Pakistan in 2021. But human rights defenders estimate that around 1,000 women are murdered in the name of honour every year.[3][4]

I was talking about state executions for adultery, which now that I think about it was not clear from the wording so apologies for that. I was trying to provide an example of how Islam delegitimizes the practice by making it almost impossible to meet the legal criteria for it, but as I said this is ultimately a cultural practice so without strong state intervention it’s not going anywhere, no matter what the religion actually says.

I don’t know, maybe they just fucking lie?

Prosecution does have to verify the witnesses’ accounts, and falsely accusing someone of extramarital sex gets you 80 lashes, so it’s not quite that simple.

Okay his subservient attitude towards Israel is certainly something to criticize him for, but the ISIS thing is straight up misinformation. He participated in the Iraqi insurgency until 2006, aka he was blowing up/shooting American soldiers in Iraq, an objectively good act. He was arrested just before things started to spiral out of control.