• Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world
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    I saw it, first 30 minutes are lazy jokes about trans people and disabled people in wheel chairs.

    The ending story is about being a dreamer and how life can change you. Mainly in the style of a TED talk, then doing a flip calling lil nas X super gay dreamer joke.

    Curtain closes.

    Thatā€™s the special. Saved you an hour.

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    10 months ago

    At the risk of saying something negative - no.

    I watched the last one twice just to be sure there was subtext and it was pretty astounding the disconnect between article writers, commenters, and the actual comedy.

    Did he say ā€œIā€™m team terfā€? He did. Yeah he did say that and that was fucked up. Agreed. (In whatever way context could be added, he was discussing the idea that one specific set of internal organs was currently capable of gestating a human. He said the terfs were saying that and he agreed with them on that point but he also discussed NCā€™s bathroom bill and talked at length about how itā€™s a bad law. He also defended trans rights at some length. But the ā€œDave hates transā€ article writers donā€™t include those points)

    But the other 99.99% of the special was objectively pro-trans. Including ā€œAll trans people deserve love and respectā€. The main point is you canā€™t get what heā€™s doing from text. Standup has a bunch of moving parts: voice, inflection, setup, arc, theme, silliness, parody, jokes-within-jokes, and many other aspects that arenā€™t available in a text-only format like a comment or an article.

    It seemed to me that he was making several really good points about being in a marginalized, oppressed minority, and the way the larger society talks about it. He used language to do that that wasnā€™t straight-on, direct, and clear because heā€™s a comedian who tells jokes and so his way of doing it is building an elaborate framework around a topic or topics, and by talking about them heā€™s getting across a larger message. Itā€™s densely layered discussion underneath simple stories. Heā€™s really good at it, fwiw, but thatā€™s often immediately ignored and intentionally misrepresented to light him up for whatever the author wants to project.

    Iā€™m just saying if you watch his specials with an open mind, heā€™s not anti-trans at all. And whenever it gets down to it, the people accusing him of it havenā€™t understood his show; often they havenā€™t watched it at all.

    Now Ricky Gervais? Fuck. That guyā€™s seriously anti-trans, ignorant and malicious, and putting Chappelle in with him is just wrong. Thank you for coming to my TEDx talk.

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      10 months ago

      Imagine jumping to the defence of this guy šŸ¤ÆšŸ¤®

      He then addressed the controversy surrounding his anti-trans material, saying, ā€œIf you guys came here to this show tonight thinking that Iā€™m going to make fun of those people again, youā€™ve come to the wrong show. Iā€™m not fucking with those people anymore. It wasnā€™t worth the trouble. I ainā€™t saying shit about them. Maybe three or four times tonight, but thatā€™s it. Iā€™m tired of talking about them. And you want to know why Iā€™m tired of talking about them? Because these people acted like I needed them to be funny. Well, thatā€™s ridiculous. I donā€™t need you. I got a whole new angle coming. You guys will never see this shit coming. I ainā€™t doing trans jokes no more.ā€
      He then said he was going to transition to joking about ā€œhandicappedā€ people instead because ā€œtheyā€™re not as organized as the gays. And I love punching down.ā€
      A few minutes later, Chappelle revisited the topic, saying, ā€œTo be honest with you, Iā€™ve been trying to repair my relationship with the transgender community cause I donā€™t want them to think that I donā€™t like them. You know how Iā€™ve been repairing it? I wrote a play. I did. Cause I know that gays love plays. Itā€™s a very sad play, but itā€™s moving. Itā€™s about a Black transgender woman whose pronoun is, sadly, n***a. Itā€™s a tear-jerker. At the end of the play she dies of loneliness cause white liberals donā€™t know how to speak to her. Itā€™s sad.ā€

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          10 months ago

          This just comes off as whiny. ā€œIā€™m getting cancelled again by being given another special, boo hoo.ā€

          And then uses literally the ā€œone jokeā€ conservatives have about pronouns. Thereā€™s nothing funny or creative about that joke. Itā€™s been told a billion times by conservative talking heads.

          Thereā€™s an entire subreddit dedicated to it. r/onejoke

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          10 months ago

          And heā€™s a fucking genius. Because, as far as I can tell, all of his trans jokes are really funny or nuanced. But his handicap jokes, some of them are just downright lame and insulting.

          And everyoneā€™s coming after him for his trans jokes, not his handicap jokes.

          You canā€™t punch down on transpeople, their propaganda reach is massive. People are AFRAID to say the littlest bit negative about them.

          Thatā€™s why the handicap jokes. He wanted to show what actually happens when you punch down: nothing. No one gives a shit.

          Anyway, thatā€™s my headcanon. Otherwise, some of these handicap jokes are completely inexcusable and donā€™t live up to the standard set by his trans jokes.

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    10 months ago

    Dave Chappelle had the option to live a quiet, wealthy, incredibly comfortable life as essentially the lord of a small Ohio city. He would have been, at the very least, a name that comes up in greatest of all time comedian discussions. Instead he chose this. Dumbass.

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    9 months ago

    The thing about Dave Chapelle is that getting twisted over his jokes makes you the punchline

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      10 months ago

      I used to love Chappelle. These past couple years donā€™t offend me, they just bore the fuck out of me. Which is not what I look for in entertainment.

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        10 months ago

        Iā€™m absolutely fine with trans jokes or dead baby jokes or literally anything, just make sure and not to forget the joke part

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          Yeah, these arenā€™t even jokes, more like some weirdass gross power fantasy.

          ā€œGod forbid I ever go to jail. But if I do, I hope itā€™s in California. Soon as the judge sentences me, Iā€™ll be like, ā€˜Before you sentence me, I want the court to know I identify as a woman. Send me to a womanā€™s jail.ā€™ As soon I get in there, you know what Iā€™mma be doing. ā€˜Give me your fruit cocktail, bitch, before I knock your motherfucking teeth out. Iā€™m a girl, just like you, bitch. Come here and suck this girl dick I got. Donā€™t make me explain myself. Iā€™m a girl.'ā€

          I am trans, and itā€™s hard to not take the insults personally, especially since this ā€œedgy comedyā€ is coming from a comedian I used to admire and respect. What the fuck, Dave?

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    10 months ago

    If the rest of his routine was as funny and direct as his opening joke I can see why so many people got mad, I heard that he made fun of everybody during the show.