• superkret@feddit.org
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      No country in South America, Africa or Asia is part of “the west”.
      I admit I forgot Canada and New Zealand, as is tradition.

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        Japan and South Korea aren’t in Asia? I’d certainly count them as “western”, especially Japan. if I’m feeling especially generous I might provisionally include Brazil too.

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          I wouldn’t. You’re mistaking countries under the thumb of the West as being the West

          WWII and Korea are how those countries came about their position today. I don’t think they’re entirely against their position but they don’t have a seat at the table like the others do

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            Japan’s the third largest economy in the world and they aligned themselves with the West in the Meiji restoration. they sought imperial conquest of their neighbors in the 1900s. what more do you want for them to be the West

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              Not willingly. This is a core tenet of meoliberalism.

              Japan has blurred porn because of the US. Any laws Japan has made that US citizens have to follow? Nope. How many Japanese military bases exist in America. 0.

              They do not have an equal seat at the table.

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            They have has as much of a seat as warrants their size and economic power, perhaps even more because of their location as a buffer against China. Most EU countries have pull only because they are part of the EU. Compare Spain and Japan on the world stage, for example.

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              I understand what you’re saying but how many Japanese military bases exist on US soil?

              It’s not an equal seat

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                I don’t think that’s a reasonable metric. Germany and the UK wouldn’t be considered influential either, and yet they are.